Printed Para Titles

[tcrown]

I realized recently that printed Para titles that were issued in the late 40s could be found with different variants depending on the type of fabric. It is well documented that the Calico Printers Association used two types of fabric for producing the printed Pegasus, either drill #2 cotton of coarse weave or a satin drill #2 cotton fine weave (source O. Lock).
The shoulder titles were printed on cotton twill material that offers better stiffness.
In looking at various samples, I can at least identify two types of fabric for the printed Para titles (1st photo). A close-up view (photo 2) shows clearly the weave differences.
I’m not too familiar with other printed titles issued in the British Army during WW2 but it is possible that similar type of fabrics could have been used as photo 3 suggests (2 titles of the Corps of Military Police).

Your thoughts and suggestions are much appreciated.

[Frank Kelley]

I'd be interested to see a clear photograph of the top CMP title, it looks a little strange.

Originally Posted by tcrown

I realized recently that printed Para titles that were issued in the late 40s could be found with different variants depending on the type of fabric. It is well documented that the Calico Printers Association used two types of fabric for producing the printed Pegasus, either drill #2 cotton of coarse weave or a satin drill #2 cotton fine weave (source O. Lock).
The shoulder titles were printed on cotton twill material that offers better stiffness.
In looking at various samples, I can at least identify two types of fabric for the printed Para titles (1st photo). A close-up view (photo 2) shows clearly the weave differences.
I’m not too familiar with other printed titles issued in the British Army during WW2 but it is possible that similar type of fabrics could have been used as photo 3 suggests (2 titles of the Corps of Military Police).

Your thoughts and suggestions are much appreciated.

[JerryBB]

From other printed titles, it can be seen that some have the plain black backs whilst others have the design bleeding thru as you see on the printed pegasus and airborne titles

[badjez]

It is known that post-1945 printed titles were being produced in Hong Kong for wear by units transiting through. The R Leic's look horrible but they came from an ex-member of the regiment.
I attach a specimen of Royal Leicestershire, but I'm also aware of a ROYAL ENGINEER and MIDDLESEX items.

See Formation Sign No241 for details.

Stephen.

[JerryBB]

An example of the two types I mentioned above, both for the RA.

[Postwarden]

The Calico Printers Association operated around a dozen separate print works which, combined with the wartime restrictions on materials may explain the variations in these titles.

Jon

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

I'd be interested to see a clear photograph of the top CMP title, it looks a little strange.

The photo is extracted from O. Lock's book. Hope the site owner won't be too upset!

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by badjez

It is known that post-1945 printed titles were being produced in Hong Kong for wear by units transiting through. The R Leic's look horrible but they came from an ex-member of the regiment.
I attach a specimen of Royal Leicestershire, but I'm also aware of a ROYAL ENGINEER and MIDDLESEX items.

See Formation Sign No241 for details.

Stephen.

Thanks for sharing.
I don't think it was the case for the Parachute Regiment. All pale blue printed titles were likely produced in UK.

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by JBBOND

An example of the two types I mentioned above, both for the RA.

Thanks for sharing, Jerry.

I think we can see the two types of fabric on the two pairs of RA titles as well similar to the Para titles I posted .
The backs are plain black on both Para titles. No bleeding on these either because of the twill material used, probably thicker.
Do you see a thinner type of fabric on your RA title?

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by Postwarden

The Calico Printers Association operated around a dozen separate print works which, combined with the wartime restrictions on materials may explain the variations in these titles.

Jon

You may be right, Jon.

[JerryBB]

Originally Posted by tcrown

Thanks for sharing, Jerry.

I think we can see the two types of fabric on the two pairs of RA titles as well similar to the Para titles I posted .
The backs are plain black on both Para titles. No bleeding on these either because of the twill material used, probably thicker.
Do you see a thinner type of fabric on your RA title?

Looking at them, the black backed pair appear to be exactly that, there seems to be a thin black material bonded to the printed fronts with the design, whilst the bleed thru pair do not have the backing and feel thinner and softer, presumably because the do not have the backing.

I'll have to compare with my other black backed titles to see if they are the same or are they printed directly onto black fabric.

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by JBBOND

Looking at them, the black backed pair appear to be exactly that, there seems to be a thin black material bonded to the printed fronts with the design,...

Yes Jerry, that's what I call the twill material. This is I believe the fabric that was used for the printed para titles.

Another example of the two types of weave with these RASC titles, both black backed.

[Force136]

The weaves were changed during the war in order to offset issues that arose in the quality of printing on coarse weave material. It was thought that it would be easier to print smaller details on the finer satin weave. We have documents here in Ottawa from the UK discussing the reasons. They were always experimenting with dyes, weaves etc. to extend the life of the insignia.

Ken

[tcrown]

Originally Posted by Force136

The weaves were changed during the war in order to offset issues that arose in the quality of printing on coarse weave material. It was thought that it would be easier to print smaller details on the finer satin weave. We have documents here in Ottawa from the UK discussing the reasons. They were always experimenting with dyes, weaves etc. to extend the life of the insignia.

Ken

Thank you very much for your input, Ken.
The finer weave material was indeed used later in the war for the second version of printed Pegasus. I didn't know this was also the case for other printed insignias like shoulder titles.
Would you happen to know when the decision was made? Are the documents you refer to available for consultation at the War Museum in Ottawa?
Cheers
Pierre

[ASR142]

Originally Posted by tcrown

Thanks for sharing, Jerry.

I think we can see the two types of fabric on the two pairs of RA titles as well similar to the Para titles I posted .
The backs are plain black on both Para titles. No bleeding on these either because of the twill material used, probably thicker.
Do you see a thinner type of fabric on your RA title?

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