Is this right? Loyals Pagri badge.

[sapper533]

Hi folks
Can I have your thoughts on this as I've never seen one before, listed as Loyals pagri badge?
Cheers
Sean

[sapper533]

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[KLR]

How long is the slider ?


My KLR FSH (='pagri') badge has a slider measuring 45mm long (including the 21mm that projects below the bottom of the badge).

[sapper533]

My point is not so much the slider but the design of the badge, which is the pattern worn by officers on OSD, rather than the cap badge design.
Cheers
Sean

[Paul Spellman]

Yes it is, see attached from the Regiment Magazine.
There is another photo I can not locate at the moment of a Sgt (not Mounted Infantry) around the same period wearing this badge, I th8nk i may have posted here before.
Paul

[sapper533]

That's brilliant many thanks Paul
Cheers
Sean

[Alan O]

I strongly suspect that in 1902 that badge would be lugged or have a pin conversion. As it's in parade dress it would be in a very bright gilt finish.

[sapper533]

Would most pagri badges be lugged then in 1902? It's just that all those HPC badges you see which are pagri badges all have sliders.
Cheers
Sean

[Alan O]

The regimentally produced Suffolks and Green Howards pagris of that era were both pin and clasp.

Sliders were mandated for the converted HPCs that (failed to be) introduced circa 1904.

Alan

[Paul Spellman]

My post was to show that this type of badge was worn in a Pagri, I do not know if the soldiers in the image had lugs or slider, however manufacturers catalogues of that date offer a variety of fittings including sliders. I have not seen too many of these type with a slider all which are gilding metal though tarnished and not very bright as seen in the ‘coloured’ photo, also no sign of lugs is favourable for these badges which may have been worn well past 1902 or 1904 for that matter.
Paul

[Alan O]

Paul

I am not condeming it as it may well be correct for a khaki FSH. There was an AO circa 1904 that forbade metal badges in FSH which led to the use of cloth patches.

The TF's garrisoning of India in 1914-15 saw a resurgence of metal badges in India albeit not officially.

I have seen a few of these slidered officer's patterncollar badges and am concerned that they may not be contemporary.