SLIDERS

[KLR]

There is much discussion on what might be 'fake' badges. The most common point is the slider.
'Not the right slider'
'Wrong shaped sl;ider'
etc etc etc etc




Could there be a thread on sliders; - the good, the bad and the ugly!!

crimping,
length,
shape,
metal,
'extruded'
etc
etc


It would be very useful


thanks
J

[grenadierguardsman]

I reckon there could be Julian. Would make for an interesting discussion.
Andy

[Jelly Terror]

Excellent idea for a thread - long overdue.

Perhaps I might start the ball rolling with a few observations relating to F. E. Woodward sliders?

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The dimensions of Woodward sliders, taken from the forty-odd examples in my collection, all fall within the following parameters:

Length: 38.5mm to 39mm
Width at bend: 5mm to 5.5mm
Width 3mm from bottom end: 4mm
Thickness: just over 1mm

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Tapering gently inward from the top end to the bottom, the vast majority have a characteristic crimp close to the bend, though there are examples which bear no crimp whatsoever:

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Not all Woodward sliders are marked with the company name. Excluding Woodward-made Queen's Royal West Surrey badges, approximately 13% of the badges in my collection are unmarked:

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Given that the Woodward crimp can, on occasion, be recklessly deep, some sliders appear to have been strengthened/repaired at point of manufacture by means of a blob of braze over the crimp itself:

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Conversely, some crimp marks can be quite shallow and not nearly as deep as others:

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But by and large, the vast majority of Woodward sliders bear the characteristic crimp and the company name, though the orientation of the Woodward mark is not always consistent:

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There are also fake Woodward sliders, some of which are seen more frequently than others; one which springs immediately to mind is the Rydal School OTC badge. I have a small archive of images depicting questionable Woodward sliders/badges, which I will endeavour to add/upload in due course.

[Home Guard]

Excellent!!!!! Thank you for getting this going as it will be a BIG help to me!!!!

Terry

[grenadierguardsman]

Outstanding JT.
Andy

[wardog]

Quality post. Laid down the gauntlet for others who have studied makers variations. Regards, Paul.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

Excellent idea for a thread - long overdue.

Perhaps I might start the ball rolling with a few observations relating to F. E. Woodward sliders?

Attachment 222969

The dimensions of Woodward sliders, taken from the forty-odd examples in my collection, all fall within the following parameters:

Length: 38.5mm to 39mm
Width at bend: 5mm to 5.5mm
Width 3mm from bottom end: 4mm
Thickness: just over 1mm

Attachment 222970

Tapering gently inward from the top end to the bottom, the vast majority have a characteristic crimp close to the bend, though there are examples which bear no crimp whatsoever:

Attachment 222954

Not all Woodward sliders are marked with the company name. Excluding Woodward-made Queen's Royal West Surrey badges, approximately 13% of the badges in my collection are unmarked:

Attachment 222955

Given that the Woodward crimp can, on occasion, be recklessly deep, some sliders appear to have been strengthened/repaired at point of manufacture by means of a blob of braze over the crimp itself:

Attachment 222956 Attachment 222957

Conversely, some crimp marks can be quite shallow and not nearly as deep as others:

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But by and large, the vast majority of Woodward sliders bear the characteristic crimp and the company name, though the orientation of the Woodward mark is not always consistent:

Attachment 222961

There are also fake Woodward sliders, some of which are seen more frequently than others; one which springs immediately to mind is the Rydal School OTC badge. I have a small archive of images depicting questionable Woodward sliders/badges, which I will endeavour to add/upload in due course.

A tad late with this, but here is a fantastic example of the Rydal School OTC fake Woodward MM & slider:

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https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...50&postcount=7

JT