Possible fake die

[norfolk regt man]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIGINAL-...-127635-2958-0


It’s possible this is a die used to make a copy badge. Based on the round number tablet. The seller has other badge dies for sale.

[Luke H]

The die for these fakes scrolls.

[KLR]

He does have one (W Mddx RVC)

It looks as though it might be genuine, but the actual face is ......

Manufacturers chucked their dies away in the hundreds in the 80s - - - (I'm reliable informed) go to the Jewelery Quarter in B'ham.


Here are mine (very heavy, definitely genuine) all three female dies


from left
the horse on the saltire from the 10th Bn Lpl Scottish



8th Irish Bn, 1939 Pattern, Firmin marked, correct date etc - this one helped me to differentiate the Firmin and Gaunt issues of this badge
(I can't remember what the prce was but as it was sent from USA - the whole package cost a fortune)


scroll from a Victorian collar badge - I'm not into collar badges, if anyone wants it - though I'm not sure how much it's worth (let alone P&P) or swap

[norfolk regt man]

What does the scroll have on it please

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by norfolk regt man

What does the scroll have on it please

It reads ‘5th West Middlesex V.R.C’.

If it is an original die I’m yet to see one of these I’d consider genuine or buy.

These have been repro’ed in prodigious quantities. Notwithstanding I’m told it’s a PBP design so any on loops ring instant alarm bells with me. Also I’ve seen several obvious repros of these with staple lugs and screw posts as fixings.

If anyone had an original I’d like to see it. Perhaps Mike Jackson or Keith Blakeman can chip in.

[norfolk regt man]

Sorry , should have said, the collar die that is for sale in the above post.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Luke H

It reads ‘5th West Middlesex V.R.C’.

If it is an original die I’m yet to see one of these I’d consider genuine or buy.

These have been repro’ed in prodigious quantities. Notwithstanding I’m told it’s a PBP design so any on loops ring instant alarm bells with me. Also I’ve seen several obvious repros of these with staple lugs and screw posts as fixings.

If anyone had an original I’d like to see it. Perhaps Mike Jackson or Keith Blakeman can chip in.

Coldstream have a silver plate PBP which looks right. All those British dies feature heavily on the repro scale, I can’t speak fir the Indian stuff though.

[Luke H]

Thanks Keith, remember now we’ve discussed that one before.

Link for anyone interested.

https://www.coldstreammilitaryantiqu...8#.YRJmoSV4UlQ

A much better and crisper strike, especially the reverse. Interesting the bottom scroll is die cast. Likely a very short lived item with the SA honour and being RVC, 1905-08 I expect.

Wonder if Mike has any further info on these, recently tried to contact him via his new DNW email without joy sadly.

[Insignia]

As factories and tool makers shut down thousands of sets of tools to manufacture badges where scrapped for their weight in tool steel, which was not that much with others appearing in antiques and collectors markets. I personally picked up hundreds of tools / dies during the 1980’s in the Birmingham Jewellery Quarter, some I still have but most I gave away as curios to other collectors.

[KLR]

KINGS in a scroll (there would have been a rose above).
It is stamped R.NEAL / LONDON on the side

I think this is the firm that filled a skip with old dies - I bought this (collar one) from the chap who took away as much as he could!!

I don't know what it is worth but I'd prefer to have a KLR swap


Insignia - do you have any KLR dies ???
thanks

[dumdum]

Originally Posted by KLR

He does have one (W Mddx RVC)

It looks as though it might be genuine, but the actual face is ......

Manufacturers chucked their dies away in the hundreds in the 80s - - - (I'm reliable informed) go to the Jewelery Quarter in B'ham.


Here are mine (very heavy, definitely genuine) all three female dies


from left
the horse on the saltire from the 10th Bn Lpl Scottish



8th Irish Bn, 1939 Pattern, Firmin marked, correct date etc - this one helped me to differentiate the Firmin and Gaunt issues of this badge
(I can't remember what the prce was but as it was sent from USA - the whole package cost a fortune)


scroll from a Victorian collar badge - I'm not into collar badges, if anyone wants it - though I'm not sure how much it's worth (let alone P&P) or swap

Showed your photo to a friend (now retired) who worked in the UK back in the 50's before emigrating. That "cone-shaped" Middlesex is a genuine die body, but you suggest that there may be doubts about what is on the face of it.

I'm not a badge collector per se so I would never comment on how good or otherwise it may/ may not be.

He says that this shape better withstood the impact of a drop hammer (no ear plugs worn back then...)

Hope this helps