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29-05-09, 05:27 AM
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Anodised Aluminium Cap Badges By Firmin
Hi Guys,
Biggie this weekend. Only those from actual collections that you can touch. List so far: 1st The Queens Dragoon Guards (Voided, Part Solid, Fully Solid Between Eagle Necks) 2nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles 3rd Carabiniers (PoWDG) 4th / 7th Dragoon Guards 5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards 6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles (With Crown) 7th Queens Own Hussars 7th Gurkha Rifles (voided) 9th / 12th Lancers 10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles (Beret) 10th Royal Hussars 11th Hussars 11th Hussars (Voided & Unvoided Scrolls) 13th / 18th Hussars 14th/20th Hussars (Head Facing Right) 14th/20th Hussars gold "hawk" 15th/19th Hussars 16th / 5th Lancers 17/21 Lancers 298th (Surrey Yeomanry) Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA) 851st (Westmoreland And Cumberland Yeomanry) Independent Battery, RA (TA) Aberdeen University Adjutant General Corps (47Mm High) Adjutant General Corps (50mm High) Army Air Corps Army Catering Corps (2nd Pattern) Army Department Fire Service (Scroll - Fire Service WD) Army Physical Training Corps Army Scripture Readers Firmin Ayrshire Yeomanry (Large Of) Bedfordshire & Hertfordshire Regiment Belfast (Queens University OTC) Birmingham University Otc Firmin & Sons London (Curved Stamp) Black Watch Bristol University OTC (Large Book) Cheshire Regiment Cheshire Yeomanry City of London University O.T.C Coldstream Guards Cornwall L.I Devonshire & Dorset Regiment (Blackened) Devonshire & Dorset Regt Devonshire Regiment Devonshire Territorials Duke Of Cornwall's Light Infantry Duke Of Edinburgh's Royal Regiment Duke Of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry (Two Part Badge) Duke Of Lancasters Yeo (1 part) Duke of Wellingtons Regiment Duke Of York's Royal Military School, Dover Durham Light Infantry (Beret) East Lancashire Regiment East Midlands University O.T.C Edinburgh and Heriot Watt University Officer Training Corps - Version 'A' Essex Regiment Exeter University OTC Gordon Highlanders Green Howards (1st Pattern) Gurkha Army Service Corps Gurkha Engineers Gurkha Military Police Gurkha Military Police (Silver & Gold) Gurkha Transport Regt Hampshire & I.o.W Territorials Hertfordshire Yeomanry Highland Yeomanry Inns Of Court And City Yeomanry Irish Guards Kings Own Royal Border Regt Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry Kings Regiment (Liverpool) Kings Regiment Liverpool/Manchester Kings Royal Hussars King's Shropshire Light Infantry (beret size) Leeds University OTC Light Dragoons (Silver And Gold) Light Dragoons (Silver, Gold And Blue) Light Infantry Light Infantry (black) Lovat Scouts Middlesex Regt Military Provost Staff Corps MOD Guard Force Monmouth School Norfolk Regt North Irish Horse North Somerset Yeomanry / 44th Royal Tank Regiment Oxford University OTC Firmin & Sons Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire L.I Oxfordshire Territorials Parachute Regt (black) Pembroke Yeomanry (Beret) Queen Alexandra's Nursing Corps Q.o Dorset & W. Somerset Yeo Queen’S University Belfast (Gold) Queens Gurkha Engineers (Silver And Gold) Queens Lancashire Regiment (With Red Rose) Queens Lancashire Regiment -gold- no red rose Queens own Hussars Queens Own Mercian Yeomanry Queens own Oxfordshire Hussars Queens Own Yeomanry Queens Own Yorkshire Yeomanry Queens Royal Irish Hussars (2nd Version - No Arrow Or Dots) Queens Royal Lancers Robin Hood Bn. Royal Anglian Regiment Royal Armoured Corps Royal Army Dental Corps (Two Piece Badge) Royal Army Medical Corps Royal Army Ordnance Corps Royal Army Pay Corps Beret size Royal Army Service Corps (Q.C) Royal Army Veterinary Corps Royal Artillery (48, 5 high) Royal Artillery Cap Badge Royal Berkshire Regiment Royal Buckinghamshire Hussars (Inscribed 'Royal Bucks Hussars') Royal Corps of Signals Royal Corps of Transport Royal Devon Yeomanry Artillery Royal Dragoon Guards (All Silver- 30mm High - NCO's) Royal Dragoon Guards (All Silver- 43mm High) Royal Dragoon Guards (Silver, Red and Black - 43mm High) Royal Dragoons (1st Dragoons) Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers Royal Engineers Royal Fusiliers (1st - 4th City of London ) Royal Gibraltar Regiment Royal Gloucestershire Hussars Royal Green Jackets Royal Hampshire Regt Royal Hampshire Regt (Black) Royal Hampshire Regt Duke Of Connaught's 6Th Royal Hampshire Ra Royal Horse Artillery Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Royal Irish Regiment (Lugs) Royal Leicestershire regt, beret Royal Malta Artillery Royal Marines Royal Military Academy Sandhurst Royal Military Police Royal Military School Of Music Royal Military School- silver & gold Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers Royal Pioneer Corps (1980's Issue) Royal Regiment of Artillery (40mm High - Separate Wheel) Royal Regiment of Artillery (45mm High - Separate Wheel) Royal Regiment of Wales Royal Scots Dragoon Guards Royal Scots Greys Royal Tank Regiment Royal Welsh Fusiliers (lugs & slider) S.A.S (black) Scots Guards Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry (Strap) Shropshire Yeomanry Shropshire Yeomanry Solihull School CCF (Including Hackle) South Notts Hussars South Staffordshire Regiment Southampton University OTC Small Arms School Corps Staffordshire regt Staffordshire Yeomanry (Queens's Own Royal Regiment), Royal Armoured Corps Suffolk And Cambridgeshire Regiment Surrey Yeomanry (small) Sussex Yeomanry Qc Tayforth University Otc Firmin The Robin Hood Rifles Ulster Defence Regiment Welbeck College, Worksop, Notts Welsh Guards Wessex Brigade Wessex Regiment Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry Wiltshire Territorials Women's Royal Army Corps Worcestershire & Sherwood Foresters Regiment Yorkshire Volunteers- silver & gold Regards Chris Last edited by hagwalther; 15-08-11 at 08:40 PM. 
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29-05-09, 07:33 AM
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This whole anodised area is actually pretty interesting and I'm digging up some fascinating stuff at the moment - quite mind blowing really - well, it is to me - must be getting old... Regards Chris
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#4
29-05-09, 07:54 PM
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Chris
Listed below are the Firmin badges in my collection, all stamped Firmin London with the exception of the 6 badges at the bottom of the list Paddy 10th PRINCESS MARY'S OWN GURKHA RIFLES (Beret) GURKHA ARMY SERVICE CORPS GURKHA MILITARY POLICE (Silver & Gold) OXFORDSHIRE TERRITORIALS SUFFOLK AND CAMBRIDGESHIRE REGIMENT ROYAL HAMPSHIRE REGT DUKE OF CONNAUGHT'S 6th ROYAL HAMPSHIRE RA ROYAL DEVON YEOMANRY ARTILLERY SHERWOOD RANGERS YEOMANRY (Strap) AYRSHIRE YEOMANRY (Large OF) WESTMORELAND & CUMBERLAND YEOMANRY HIGHLAND YEOMANRY SUSSEX YEOMANRY QC SHROPSHIRE YEOMANRY SURREY YEOMANRY QUEEN’S UNIVERSITY BELFAST (GOLD) ROYAL MILITARY SCHOOL ROYAL ENGINEERS ADJUTANT GENERAL CORPS (47MM HIGH) ROYAL IRISH REGIMENT (Lugs) BEDFORDSHIRE & HERTFORDSHIRE REGIMENT 14th/20th HUSSARS (Head Facing Right) DEVONSHIRE & DORSET REGIMENT (Blackened) 11th HUSSARS (Voided & Unvoided Scrolls) ROYAL ANGLIAN REGIMENT ROYAL ARTILLERY CAP BADGE ROYAL MILITARY SCHOOL OF MUSIC EXETER UNIVERSITY OTC Firmin OXFORD UNIVERSITY OTC Firmin & Sons BIRMINGHAM UNIVERSITY OTC Firmin & Sons London (Curved stamp) TAYFORTH UNIVERSITY OTC Firmin ROYAL IRISH FUSILIERS (Lugs) Firmin ARMY SCRIPTURE READERS Firmin
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29-05-09, 10:25 PM
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A few more to add to the list
Royal Leicestershire regt, beret The Queens Lancashire Regiment -gold- no red rose Royal Military School- silver & gold 15th/19th Hussars Royal Corps of Transport Queens Own Yeomanry Devonshire & Dorset Regt Yorkshire Volunteers- silver & gold Adjutant General Corps The Staffordshire regt Cheers, Dave
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30-05-09, 05:47 AM
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Thanks Guys,
Initial list updated. Chris
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01-06-09, 05:38 AM
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G’day Chris
A few more to add to the list Firmin Kings Own Royal Border Regt Firmin London 3rd Carabiniers (PoWDG) Royal Dragoons (1st Dragoons) 17/21 Lancers Welch Guards Essex Regt DLI (beret) Royal Military Academy Sandhurst Cheers John
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01-06-09, 09:29 PM
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Also I have been asked what the purpose of all this is. Well, the object is to take what amounts to a straw poll of badges in this forum audience at manufacturer level. From this pool although unscientific we can see which companies produced the most badges at a unit count and therefore which were the most involved in the creation on anodised aluminium cap badges. The exercise also of course allows us to group unit badges by manufacturer which will be of interest to those who study company history. Another use for this data is to group manufacturer by unit and see which unit badge was made by a particular maker. This allows a collector at a unit level to obtain all those badges made by each company and see what the differences are and how they correspond to the sealed pattern card if available. Therefore, variations from the previously agreed norm can be noted. etc. Regards Chris
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#10
01-06-09, 09:47 PM
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Anodised aluminium cap badges by Firmin
May I suggest that it is dangerous to assume that, simply because a maker's name appears on a badge, button or other accoutrement, that the item was manufactured by that firm. Military procurement is famous for sub-contracting and, quite often, named suppliers had nothing whatever to do with the making of the items in question. Certainly this is more likely with the 'big names' Firmin, Gaunt, British Badge & Button Co., etc. The further back you go, the more you find sub-contracting. Often a microscopic examination of the striking confirms that the same badge was being made by more than one source, despite universal naming.
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01-06-09, 09:54 PM
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Not found anything official as such in the anodised aluminium area although I have found the same slider being used by multiple companies who have then applied their different names to the same slider type. Also the same lug type being used by different companies. If you have any documents re: such sub-contracting of A/A badges please let me know. Looking through every official document I currently have or have seen related to A/A cap badges only, does not revel evidence of sub-contracting which of course, does not mean to say the practice ever existed. The period of time I'm looking at is from 1950 to current day. Regards Chris
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#12
05-06-09, 03:47 PM
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Firmin
Hi Chris,
Heres a few more - 1st Queens Dragoon Guards Royal Scots Dragoon Guards 4th / 7th Dragoon Guards 4th Hussars 13th / 18th Hussars 16th / 5th Lancers Surrey Yeomanry (small) Queens own Oxfordshire Hussars South Notts Hussars Q.o Dorset & W. Somerset Yeo Duke of Lancasters Yeo (1 part) Royal Hampshire Regt Roya Hampshire Regt (black) Middlesex Regt Royal Green Jackets Light Infantry Light Infantry (black) Royal Welsh Fusiliers (lugs & slider) Army Catering Corps (2nd Pattern) Royal Army Service Corps (Q.C) Parachute Regt (black) Gurkha Transport Regt 7th Gurkha Rifles (voided) S.A.S (black) The Robin Hood Rifles Hampshire & I.o.W Territorials City of London University O.T.C East Midlands University O.T.C Kings own Royal Border Regt Best Regards. UKBRITS
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05-06-09, 11:49 PM
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Your 1st Queens Dragoon Guards - was it fully voided, half voised or solid between necks? Regards Chris
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