British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > Common Forums > The Home Front

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 27-04-21, 10:33 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default HM Factory OWS badge?

Hi

Can anyone please let me know what was being produced in Oldbury during WW1 and hence creating the need for this badge?

Yes, Google will probably give me the answer, but much more interesting to ask our members!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg owsbadge18.JPG (44.8 KB, 52 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 27-04-21, 10:57 AM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,346
Default

Not 100% sure but I think they were not involved in the manufacturing/engineering side. I have a feeling that I read something (possibly in "From Corn to Cordite") that they were originally a chemical company that switched to explosives ?

.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 27-04-21, 11:23 AM
Mike_2817's Avatar
Mike_2817 Mike_2817 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2,399
Default

http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Muse...ry/HTWorks.htm

In Oldbury, Albright and Wilson Limited had gone from strength to strength using improved versions of the Wednesfield furnace. In the early years of the First World War the company developed a range of munitions for the army including phosphorus-filled shells, hand and rifle grenades, and 'Chinese tumblers', and 'plum puddings' for trench warfare. On detonation they liberated phosphorus which produced phosphorus pentoxide, a non-poisonous gas that acted as an extremely efficient smoke screen to mask the enemy's fire.
__________________
Sua Tela Tonanti

Wanted Poppy Pins
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 27-04-21, 12:38 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,346
Default

That's an interesting article Mike but the name didn't ring a bell , so I gave in to temptation and did a search .

Graces Guide

1894 Albright and Wilson and Chance Brothers and Co, neighbours in Oldbury, were both engaged in the production of cyanide and decided to join forces. A small subsidiary, British Cyanides Co Ltd, was formed under the chairmanship of Alexander Chance, and a plant was constructed on a piece of land adjacent to both companies.

1898 Oldbury Alkali Co amalgamated with another similar firm of long standing, W. Hunt and Sons of Wednesbury, to become Chance and Hunt.

WWI. Manufactured TNT and ammonium nitrate; the speed with which the TNT plant was built was a source of pride in Chance and Hunt - one million bricks were laid in 19 days and TNT was being despatched 14 weeks after the first sod was cut.

The National Factory Scheme

HM Explosive Factories

The first new national factory in January 1915 for the manufacture of TNT at Oldbury , was managed by a firm of acid manufacurers , Chance and Hunt.


So it is possible that both companies were part of the larger H.M. Factory Oldbury ?

.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 27-04-21, 08:17 PM
ARPCDHG's Avatar
ARPCDHG ARPCDHG is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 101
Default

In WW2, A&W made the No.74 Phosphorous SIP bottle grenade, essentially a slightly posher Molotov cocktail, as issued to the Home Guard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._76...ndiary_grenade
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28-04-21, 12:16 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default

Hello gents

Many, many thanks for all this info!

This is what I like best about the Forum. Mike, your contributions are always of value and I really appreciate the input of other members too.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 28-04-21, 12:20 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default Another!

Hi

I've just posted this photo on another site and thought that it might also interest our members.

I'm guessing that this is the firm that turned out THE Mills bomb but am always prepared to stand corrected.

Size-wise, it's the same as the British Aluminium Co badge that turns up a fair bit.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg millsows2.JPG (38.7 KB, 23 views)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 28-04-21, 12:38 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,346
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dumdum View Post
I'm guessing that this is the firm that turned out THE Mills bomb but am always prepared to stand corrected.
Didn't they also produce romantic novels ..... Mills & Boom !



.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 29-04-21, 09:31 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default

Hi Mike

Very nice! Wish I'd thought of that one!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 29-04-21, 10:20 AM
manchesters's Avatar
manchesters manchesters is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 6,449
Default

William Mills was certainly involved in the patent for the first Hand Grenade No. 5, see first page of his patent below.

However I believe his company that he set up was the Mills Munitions Company and not William Mills Limited.

regards
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Mills1.pdf (796.5 KB, 3 views)
__________________
Simon Butterworth

Manchester Regiment Collector
Rank, Prize & Trade Badges
British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 29-04-21, 12:57 PM
Charliedog012012's Avatar
Charliedog012012 Charliedog012012 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: A Yorkshireman in exile 'Up North' and an ‘Honorary Smoggie’.
Posts: 844
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dumdum View Post
Hi

I've just posted this photo on another site and thought that it might also interest our members.

I'm guessing that this is the firm that turned out THE Mills bomb but am always prepared to stand corrected.

Size-wise, it's the same as the British Aluminium Co badge that turns up a fair bit.
Very nice example and one I have never seen before. Many thanks for posting.
Cheers
James
__________________
He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. (Albert Einstein)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 29-04-21, 02:07 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,346
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by manchesters View Post
William Mills was certainly involved in the patent for the first Hand Grenade No. 5, see first page of his patent below.

However I believe his company that he set up was the Mills Munitions Company and not William Mills Limited.

regards
William Mills Ltd had a foundry in in Grove Street, on the border of Birmingham and Smethwick.

Quote:
In the First World War the foundry produced lightweight castings for the newly formed aircraft industry which rapidly grew as part of the war effort. At this time, William Mills invented a terrible weapon, the Mills hand grenade, which was not produced at the foundry, but by the Mills Munitions Factory in Birmingham and by a host of contractors. William Mills opened the munitions factory in 1915, and around 75,000,000 grenades were produced.

In the early 1920s, William Mills Limited was acquired by The British Aluminium Company Limited in order to extend their range of cast aluminium products.
http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/arti...bury/Mills.htm


.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap

Last edited by mike_vee; 29-04-21 at 02:14 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 30-04-21, 04:50 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default

Hello gents

Again the Forum delivers! Might have been nice to have been for the factory as detailed but even so....

There appear to have been a whole range of bronze(?) badges made to this size and format as I have a good 6-8 of them. They are usually struck of quite thin metal and tend to be hollow backed like a cap/ collar badge.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 30-04-21, 06:28 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default

Here's another in the same "series". Anyone got any info on this lot?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg rotherhamows.JPG (16.6 KB, 7 views)
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 30-04-21, 06:33 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 908
Default The epitome of vague wording....

What has always struck me is how wonderfully vague the wording on these badges could be.

What was the wearer actually doing?

"Well, it's all rather hush-hush you know..." he said as he eased himself back into the seat on the No 36 tram.....
Attached Images
File Type: jpg workingforgovt.JPG (13.9 KB, 8 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:48 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.