17th Lancers

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Griff,
Oh dear, well never mind you can't win every match, sounds like both he and the team gave it their very best today though!
Regards Frank

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Hello Griff,
Oh dear, well never mind you can't win every match, sounds like both he and the team gave it their very best today though!
Regards Frank

Frank

They gave it a good go against strong opposition.

[Lancer 17]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Rob

Have you got an image of this infamous "Gun-metal" Motto?

There were two types officially issued for NI in the 1980s, Phil (Lancer17) has them direct from the Regiment at time of issue (with accompanying letters). The "Gun-metal" is in fact a bronze colour (LB&BCo)..... and there is a blackened version as well (by Gaunt). The black is white metal base (Gaunt) with the colours applied with longer sliders than normal.... identical to the chrome Motto we see from Gaunt (with long and short sliders).

There is also a blackened AA by Gaunt (with a long slider and a proper black AA finish) ...see below; also the blackened (Gaunt) white metal long & short slider; also the LB&BCo Bronze (or "Gun Metal")

* I should have the "TKS" bronze version any day now Is it just going to be the LB&BC bronze seen below or will it be marked "TKS"?

Griff

The blackened white metal Motto was used by regimental officers whist on attachment in Oman in the 1980's and came to me via an old friend in Melbourne who was a relentless lancer collector and he got it direct fron the regiment. His collection was sold a few years ago through Bosleys and he got several thousand pounds for it. I missed out on the lot.

Cheers

Phil.

[GriffMJ]

Phil

Thanks for that, I was lucky enough to find a 1980s short slider Wm based blackened version that looks a bit "sand blasted"

[rboorman]

As an ex lancer I've never heard of or seen a gilded motto. During my service I wore a white metal [also chrome & staybrite] Motto and a blackened Motto in northern Ireland. After my service the regiment did wear a bronzed motto with combat dress. Officers' hat & beret mottos were similar but of a smaller size.

17/21L Officer collar dogs mottos were brass / gilded but quite small.

[GriffMJ]

Hi

By "Gilded" you mean brass or gilt metal I have some genuine examples of modern brass Mottoes (or yellow metal at least) that are made by Gaunt and LB&BCo..... but I believe these to be made for the Museum shops rather than the Regiment?

Its good to hear that the chrome mottoes (Gaunt) were worn as well

[Robthereiver]

[QUOTE=GriffMJ;254542]Rob


I would like to see the QRL c2000 "private purchases" you elude to?

Griff

Please find attached images of QRL 'private purchases' these are not in great condition and show considerable wear. I have tried to obtain a firmer date but the chaps can't recall, so circa 2000 will have to do.

Rob

[GriffMJ]

Rob

Thanks for that..... both Mottoes are LB&BCo (two of three back variants I have found so far).... so post 1980

Here is the looped .... (I also have the slider marked and unmarked also the AA with MM)


Here is the slider ... (I also have the AA marked and unmarked)

[Robthereiver]

Griff

I agree LB&BCo, that was the conclusion I had reached, both these private purchases closely match the AA marked motto's of theirs that I have.

If they are post 1980 then they might be 17/21L or QRL ? as the previous owners served in both.

Rob

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Have you rung the regtl PRI and asked who supplies them?

Tele: 01748 873218

Alan

Just arrived

They are as I expected..... the original LB&BCo... so not marked TKS.

[Robthereiver]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Alan

Still no sign of the Mottos.... money sent on the 11th (signed for on the 12th).... phoned them again two days ago (they are in the post).... Just arrived

They are as I expected..... the original LB&BCo... so not marked TKS.

Griff

That's a little disappointing, but interesting

Rob

[GriffMJ]

I have a spare one for swaps

[GriffMJ]

Rob

Just up on eBay: 111312500964

Advertised as ERVII Officers?

[Robthereiver]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Rob

Just up on eBay: 111312500964

Advertised as ERVII Officers?

Griff

Thanks for the heads up

Rob

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Robthereiver

Griff

Thanks for the heads up

Rob

Rob

I have the Motto (couple or three times)..... the FFSCap is the ORs shape according to the photos, I would also expect to see the Tailors stamp in it. I have a feeling that if you look at the holes for the Motto loops they will be freshly cut? If the Motto was truely ERVII then I would expect to see "hobbed" lettering in the rear and "D" loops, I suspect it will have the "O" loops for the modern Beret.