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What is that?
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see "Today's offering for a chuckle"
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a non-nickel plated, silver finish brass example. A while back at an Oosterbeek commemoration I had to take a second look at a veterans cap badge. After a chat with him all was revealed. His nickel plated brass Parachute Regiment with lugs had had all the plating on the front polished off and resembled " gold ". The rear still retained the original nickel finish. Likewise a GPR veteran had done the same to his cap badge.
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What is your opinion of the thin silverwash coating being used, it appears to have been an economy measure to save nickel? It doesn't seem to have been used on the other pattern PR badges or AAC badges however. |
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if I was to hazard a guess it could be a zinc coating either by electrolysis or hot dipping.
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You could be right, the coating does have the appearance of zinc galvanised steel. It would be interesting to analyse it.
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In the meantime, as it was the case for the Para wings, alternative patterns likely surfaced on the market due to the strong demand for the new badge, either for private purchase or ordnance issue. Certainly, photo evidences suggest that many variants were worn in 1944 with both voided and non-voided crowns. |
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I've attached a photo of my badge for comparison. Voided Firmin White Metal.jpg The trouble is, as for the badge that is the topic of interest in this thread, this pattern has been reproduced extensively. Check this out https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Military-Bad...97.m4902.l9144 |
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"Replica voided crown" para badge
Thank you for your contributions to this thread, tcrown.
The badge in your last post #53 looks very similar to the one ones in my post #32. Luc's "Replica voided crown" is a little different in that the legs of the lion are voided. The badge in the eBay link in your last post the lion has also voided / fretted legs. I would love to see is the badge on the reference card in Oliver Lock's book that you mentioned in #post 40 as I don't own that book yet. Quote:
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interesting that is says to be fitted with vertical shank
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25-03-1942 reference card para badge
Thank you, Jerry!
If my old eyes don't mislead me I see fretted legs on the lion? I think that the badge on that reference card looks very similar to the Ludlow made casted badge. Marinus |
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my fretted plated pair
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The solid back showing no obverse stamping details is a feature of most officers badges and often but not always feature the makers mark. In the case of the Parachute Regiment officers badge some had the lion's legs and tail voided in addition to the crown. It is my understanding that the more voiding, the more they cost as there was more work involved in production. I can only give an opinion on what I have in my collection and from photographs of badges belonging to others that I have seen. It is also my opinion that the private purchase solid construction badges often produced in silver or silver plate were available for purchase at a premium and were aimed at the officer market. All my officer examples have the crown and legs voided and some have the tail voided as well. Jack. |
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Sorry Jack, I misinterpreted what you wanted to say about officers' badges. Yes, private purchase silver or silver plate examples with a solid back have voided crowns. It doesn't mean officers worn only these badges during WW2.
I'm more interested in the white metal badges with a voided crown made by Gaunt and other makers. They were not necessarily ordnance issues. Some could have been made available for private purchase as well. I'm more and more convinced of the fact that the original design presented challenges in the manufacturing process and could have been only offered in silver or silver plate because they proved to be too costly to mass produce for the other ranks. This could have led to a simplified pattern (non-voided) a little bit later (could still have been in the course of 1943). We know about the other voided pattern with a larger crown (just like the ones Jerry has posted), quite different from the original sealed design. It looks to me it could have been ordnance issue given the large number of surviving examples. Very difficult to imagine when this pattern was issued but it could have been later in the war (ie 1944). Looking forward to reading your views. Last edited by tcrown; 08-10-20 at 03:12 AM. |
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Can you provide a link to Luc's badge? I believe the badge on eBay is a replica.
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