Hi Stanley, to answer your request I would say that the first one is the East Riding Yeomanry (Churchill & Westlake #108), 1920-1956 or about.
The second one looks a lot like the Hertfordshire Yeomanry (C & W #80), although the "ground" is a somewhat different. Maybe a difference due to the maker and the period it was made?
Hoping I'm right and that's helping you.
Cheers
Jo
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