Many thanks to all - will re-label as 3rd VB RF, it is always good to have the Forum members set one on the path to knowing just what a badge is.
Dave I will re-photograph my WM badges on black velvet as on review they do look GM - I will put both the KC and QVC WM versions alongside it with a nice Edwardian KC GM and see how the colours come out.
Thanks again to all, Dean.
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