to be continued !!!!
i have found a second one , but this time in bronze ,2 pieces and with a JR.GAUNT LONDON plate soldered on the back side.
it's not very easy for me to understand.
for me royal enginers off have bronze 9 flames with ubique scroll....
i know 10 flammes with wreath scrol (royal artillery territorial off service dress collars)
10 flames without scroll (indian artillery)...
please help me