Ah, that's a point, I didn't know what the "41" was although I thought it was army.
Now HJ is mentioned bells are ringing, I'll check a BL Davis book on WWII era German insignia where I think there is a relevant illustration.
Edit, I checked "Badges & Insignia of The Third Reich 1933-45" by BL Davis, HJ shoulder straps with numbered buttons are illustrated but the highest numbered button is "12".
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