Mike many thanks for your help Like you Thought it may be dental related .To keep me sane in look down I've been collecting to the dental services of the R.N and R A F
For the navy I have found ,the following trade badges
Dental Hygienist I have two variations -there are quite a number
Dental Surgery Assistant 3 variation again a number of variations
Dental Nurse [D N ] none as yet
My son is a surgeon commander [medical ] but no point asking him
R A F only collars found from an excellent album on the forum
Posted photo on badge in gallery and my album
David
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