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Originally Posted by bess55
Chris, the time line for the failing brass slider badge is born out by the dates on documents you've found, but I'm equally going by the data you referred me to. Sealed pattern cards show Gaunt London on the slider for:-
Dorset Regt 1966
Gurkha Boys 1966
Queens Own Lowland Yeo 1968.. . . .etc
So unless they are using both marks at the same time . . . . ?
My enquiry was that perhaps the fact that the slider was brass was important, in that the manufacturing issue is different and Gaunt may have used parts (i.e. sliders) from a part of the manufacturing area that made brass badges, which used a different marking regime. In any case the sealed pattern for the anodised badge with the anodised slider bearing Gaunt BHam is dated 1970. The sealed pattern card bearing a brass slider must surely have been an earlier card as by 1970 they had ceased using the metal slider - if that too was dated 1970 it wouldn't really make sense.
I guess it gets to the heart of the original enquiry here about dates really. We can disagree and that's fine however, but the data would appear to show that Gaunt London mark was still being used throughout the 1960's on anodised Gaunt badge sliders. The anodised slider Queens Regt card is 1970 and all the others you detail for Gaunt BHam (apart from the IJLR at 1969) are all 1970 onwards .
The brass slider with Gaunt BHam is the anomaly here is it not?
All the best
Bess
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Hi Bess,
No problem with the use of marks overlapping as I have no idea whatsoever when the LONDON mark was retired. All one can say is that a the LONDON mark was used, at least up until a specific date, as borne out by its use on a badge attached to a dated pattern card. You have quoted Queens Own Lowland Yeo 1968 - therefore, I have no problem with the LONDON mark being used at least up to 1968 (possibly even later) as the pattern card proves its existence.
All I'm saying is that the Gaunt B'HAM mark was first used 1966 or before and that is borne out by the official documentation of the failing brass slider Queen's A/A badges in tropical conditions. Such doco is dated Jan 1967 implying that the badges had to have been made pre this date hence the B'HAM mark was in use in 1966. In general though, Gaunt LONDON badges are usually found on older unit badges than the B'HAM marked ones and it may be argued that a LONDON marked badge, for the same unit, is probably older (although one cannot be 100% certain) than a B'HAM marked one.
The same badge may be sealed many times for many different reasons - the 1970's dated card has a A/A slider hence the A/A cap badge specification was officially changed, as per the references given in my book, for all non A/A slider attired (most had brass sliders but other non aluminium metals were also used) A/A cap badges. Therefore, the Queen's Regt cap badge was probably re-sealed, in 1970, to reflect this change in specification using, once again, the B'HAM mark.
I don't think there is more that I can say.
Regards,
Chris