Have I missed something ? What is the link between Hawke Bn. and Cardiff Pals ? The post seemed to me to start with one and move to the other - is there any particular reason for that ? If the post was actually about spotting a genuine Hawke Bn. badge then the comment made about the 'jelly mould' is a fair yardstick. Depth of die strike is an indicator of a genuine badge - our faker friends haven't yet perfected the optimum depth for their strikes. Another example of that can be seen when comparing original and fake KOSB helmet plate centres - the originals have considerable 'depth' but the fakes are shallow - in so many ways ! Regards. David