Jeff - As to the post 1825 motto - check the 72nd Colours for the period and afterwards. You will find the motto there. Of course I will believe evidence produced by absolutely anyone if it is substantiated - museums included. My point is that this is a well researched topic - decades before this Forum began - and absolutely no evidence exists - anywhere - to substantiate the use of the disputed motto by any British regiment. I would dearly like to put this issue to bed with confirmation - but I doubt it will be forthcoming. Regards. David