East Riding Yeomanry
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Picked these collars up recently to the East Riding Yeomanry, notice the size of the white metal ones, perhaps worn by valise? Cap badge shown for size comparison. Cheers Sean.
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Sean,
this style of collar was also worn by many civilian "Huntsmen" with no connection to the ERY whatsoever! I have seen (at a fair in Brecon quite a few years ago) a master of the hunt style red jacket with very similar collar badges whether or not it was them copying ER Yeo, since then I have seen many and of vaious sizes and quality but always as hunting insignia! My mate's wife (who hunts) has a brooch the spit of an ERY collar which was made in a jewlers and no connection whatsoever, just the fact its a running (flying) fox! Andy |
Sean, not sure about the small badges at all. As far as i am aware the collar badges were identical in size to the cap badge. The usual tell tale being the cap was on a slider (though probably not always) and the collars on lugs. The badge you have here is the early version worn by the East Riding of Yorkshire Imperial Yeomanry. I have 3 postcards which i will scan tomorrow of the badge being worn. I am not aware of the badge or its succesor being made in wm though it may be due to me not finding one!?! Its easy to prove a badge exists but almost impossible to prove it does not!
The ERYIY badge was worn up until about 1920 when it changed size and had a scroll fitted `FORRAD`. The badges you have IMO for what its worth are not `hansome` enough compared with examples i have seen (the two small badges that is). The badges also do not show the signs of age that you would expect. I will dig out some of my badges as well and show the `elegant` beast used on the ERYIY & ERY badges. White metal on hunting red collars would stand out far better than a brass (ERY) collar. This would explain the size differance as well. Cheers, Dave |
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Hi every one, my reason for posting this thread, is I haven't a clue myself about the small collars. However I will say according to Kipling and King, the white metal fox in full cry was approved for wear 9th May 1903, also the officers lance cap plate has a silver fox. Cheers Sean.
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East Riding Yeomanry KK1496
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Hi All,
Is this a cap badge or collar? Does anyone know if this a good un? WM and gilding metal - approx 4.3cm across Regards Ben |
It's a Cap. Looks Good to me.
Cheers Paul. |
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Hi Paul,
its interesting that you are so resounding in your comment that the badge is a cap badge. I am not wanting to sound as though i am doubting you but i would appreciate what basis you have for making the comment. As far as i am aware the front of the cap badge and the front of one of the facing pair of collars are identical in size and use of materials. The collars obviously are a facing pair so a right facing fox is definately a collar. The collars i think are always on lugs and the cap badge is mainly on lugs though slidered versions are not uncommon. The question i suppose i am asking is, is how do you tell the differance between a left facing lugged collar and a lugged cap badge? I have attached a scan of the few badges i have. I am not sure if the same question applies to the earlier scrolless badge. Cheers, Dave |
Hi Dave
Maybe I was quick to assert that it was a cap badge. Just got off a 12 hour nightshift, however I have never seen a collar or right vacing version of this badge. Cheers Paul. |
Bren,
I suspect it is both. The slidered ones were correct for WW1 caps but I suspect that with the advent of berets in WW2 the lugged ones were used. The collars were identical. List is as a WW2 badge worn as a cap or a collar then you can't be wrong. Alan |
East Riding Yeomanry (Correct?)
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Hi All
Does anyone have an example of the correct "charlie" KK1495. I am looking at this one below..... but I have my doubts? |
Good Evening Griff M-J,
I don't know if you're aware that the fox pattern badge shown was produced in AA and worn by officers, and perhaps NCO's, without a coloured cloth backing on the end of the epaulette nearest the shoulder seam by members of the Queen's Own Yorkshire Yeomanry. Above this would be the rank insignia. I mention this because you do see them advertised as collar badges which they're not. All good wishes, Peter |
East Riding Yeomanry (Correct?)
Hi Peter et al,
Just to clarify, the East Riding Yeomanry cap badge prior to about 1908 was the running fox, as illustrated in post #1. Sometime after 1908 the badge was replaced by an altered fox above a motto scroll as can be seen in post #5. The in-coming Colonel felt that the original badge looked more like a greyhound than a fox. The fox worn as a shoulder badge by the Queen's Own Yorkshire Yeomanry (and Y Squadron, Queen's Own Yeomanry today) is the second pattern fox without a motto scroll - not the same fox as the pre-1908 cap badge. These foxes are also different to the fox that adorns the cap badge of the Queen's Own Yeomanry. Cheers, Neil. |
EAST RIDING YEOMANRY
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An East Riding Yeomanry photos showing the scroll-less fox in use during Ww1.
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Great photo. There are some really stunning Yorkshire items out there. Must be an ideal county for collectors.
I know you don't really need a connection with some unit or place to collect to it but I really wish I had relatives from Yorkshire... |
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Hi Alan,
nice picture. Is their any chance of a high res image being emailled to me? Would go nicely with the others i have. Images attached though these are from original postcards. Cheers, Dave |
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