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Shiny 24-09-21 12:38 PM

Civilian Component Brassard & Police Badges
 
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Hi All,

I've just got these items and was wondering if anyone can help identify them.

I was thinking they might have been worn by civilian police working in Bosnia but that's just a guess.

Thanks for the help,

Michael

leigh kitchen 24-09-21 12:59 PM

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The UK Police badge wasn't in use by UK Police in Bosnia by 2000, presumably it was at some point after then, it was in wear by UK Police in East Timor by 2003.
(The British police contingents wouldn't have become UK Police until 1999 when Scottish forces and the RUC joined the English and Welsh forces who were already providing personnel).

I saw the "Forensic" badge for sale about a week ago and checked with someone who'd been in the UK Police Contigent in Bosnia, he checked with some other ex- Contingent members but they hadn't seen it before.

UK Police Contingent badge in wear, UNMISET, 2003-04.

mike_vee 24-09-21 01:33 PM

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Found a Kosova 2000 patch.

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Shiny 24-09-21 04:37 PM

Thanks for the help everyone, any idea about the brassard?

Michael

leigh kitchen 24-09-21 05:43 PM

'Fraid not, perhaps UK civilian experts in non-military or police, fire service, prison service, ambulance service etc roles?

Looks rather military though (if not that similarity re. colour and the crown is a bit disconcerting, it would suggest the civilian is armed forces).

I hav'nt seen such a brassard before.

Shiny 24-09-21 05:51 PM

Thanks Leigh,

It is the usual military shade of olive green and I was assuming the person held the equivalent appointment / status of a Major.

Michael

mike_vee 25-09-21 06:14 AM

Found some info , it relates to Namibia , but has details about the civilian branch of UNTAG.

Quote:

United Nations Transitions Assistance Group (UNTAG)

These components included: the Electoral Division, the Civilian Police, the Division of Administration, the regional offices, and district centres.
https://search.archives.un.org/civilian-component

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mike_vee 25-09-21 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiny (Post 560325)

It is the usual military shade of olive green and I was assuming the person held the equivalent appointment / status of a Major.

Possibly police ?

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The UNTAG Civilian Police (CIVPOL) were commanded by the Police Commissioner, who, as Police Adviser, also provided advice to the SRSG and his staff on all police-related matters.

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engr9266 25-09-21 07:29 AM

I have one of these brassards which I am unsure about and I have marked it as
"CIVILIAN COMPONENT BOSNIA" which I assumed included interpreters for the British Military, Police etc??
A definite ID would be great.
Jerry

mike_vee 25-09-21 08:50 AM

I wonder if this was a 'generic' brassard worn during other/earlier UN missions ? :confused:

It may have been "identified" as Bosnia because it came with other badges from that period but may not have been specific to that conflict.

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leigh kitchen 25-09-21 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiny (Post 560325)
Thanks Leigh,

It is the usual military shade of olive green and I was assuming the person held the equivalent appointment / status of a Major.

Michael

I'm thinking of the crown as being a symbol to represent QEII, the UK, rather than indicating rank or status. But again I'm just guessing.
All of the wording and insignia are embroidered onto the brassard, the crown isn't one that would be a number of different rank symbols that could be sewn on.

leigh kitchen 25-09-21 09:23 AM

"Kelly's" sells the brassards but they're identified simply as "what's on the tin".

54Bty 25-09-21 09:37 AM

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=59203
Not mine.
Marc

mike_vee 25-09-21 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by leigh kitchen (Post 560371)
"Kelly's" sells the brassards but they're identified simply as "what's on the tin".

I saw that there are nine available , also spotted one on a German site but again no details.

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engr9266 25-09-21 10:23 AM

All the one's seen have the "MAJOR" rank badge on. So does this indicate that ALL the wearers held this (honorary) rank??
Has other "ranks" been seen on the brassards??

leigh kitchen 25-09-21 10:36 AM

Presumably the brassard is worn with a shoulder strap looped through, if so I would've thought rank insignia would be worn on the strap.

mike_vee 25-09-21 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh kitchen (Post 560383)
Presumably the brassard is worn with a shoulder strap looped through, if so I would've thought rank insignia would be worn on the strap.

Possibly to show civilian/police 'rank' when wearing flak jacket/body armour ? :confused:

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Royal 25-09-21 01:09 PM

I never saw any of them worn in Bosnia during multiple tours across UNPROFOR, IFOR, SFOR and EUFOR either by UK military, UK CivPol with IPTF and certainly not by locally employed interpreters....

Shiny 25-09-21 01:13 PM

Thanks for the help everyone, sounds like they are a real mystery.

Michael

leigh kitchen 25-09-21 02:37 PM

Possibly of interest

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/internat...nwealth-office

https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...ut/recruitment

Shiny 26-09-21 06:42 PM

Thanks Leigh, I'll have a look at those links.

Michael

leigh kitchen 27-10-21 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mike_vee (Post 560310)
Found a Kosova 2000 patch.

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Not really telling you much that isn't obvious from the design of the badge and wording, but I'm told worn by British Forensic Team members working with the Norwegian Forensec Unit.

54Bty 27-10-21 10:57 AM

One of mine.

Marc

leigh kitchen 02-11-21 11:18 AM

Re. the brassard, I'm told that post the UN IPTF era in BiH British civilian staff were granted military ranks in line with their civilian status and afforded entry to officer's messes.
I'm advised that some "acted like landed gentry and would tell everyone their military rank and would write their 'rank' on their doors, books, etc"

First I've heard of the practise.
So, perhaps the brassard was worn by such personnel granted the status of "Major".

leigh kitchen 02-11-21 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 54Bty (Post 563306)
One of mine.

Marc

Interesting brassard.

Royal 02-11-21 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh kitchen (Post 563817)
Re. the brassard, I'm told that post the UN IPTF era in BiH British civilian staff were granted military ranks in line with their civilian status and afforded entry to officer's messes.
I'm advised that some "acted like landed gentry and would tell everyone their military rank and would write their 'rank' on their doors, books, etc"

First I've heard of the practise.
So, perhaps the brassard was worn by such personnel granted the status of "Major".

UK civilains were certainly accorded the privleges of 'officer' rank in the early 2000s in BiH and Kosovo but I don't remember any specific rank being given with the exception of the GoC's POLAD (or 'political advisor' - although in reality he was something very different) who was accorded one star status - but behaved impecably. I also don't remember them wearing 'uniform' very much, with the exception of body armour and helmets carried outside the wire, and DPM waterproofs and softee jackets worn during inclement weather - of which there is a fair bit in the Balkans.

Home Guard 18-01-22 07:22 PM

I have one of these civilian brassards as well.

I saw an eBay listing for one that said something to the effect that it was worn by civilian contractors to help military personal with new technology equipment that had not been much in use yet, during the Gulf War. The listing further says that these civilians were given the honorary rank of Major to allow them some authority over the military personal they were working with.

I cannot confirm or discount this, but share it as possibly another explanation of the brassard.

Terry

54Bty 18-01-22 08:34 PM

Maybe to show they are working officially for the Crown.

Marc


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