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der_rittmeister 31-03-17 12:11 AM

QVC Royal Scots Helmet Plate
 
I have obtained a QVC Royal Scots Helmet Plate. It has some issues but the main issue is that the green enamel is gone. Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge about how the central silver section was made and whether the green enamel was inlaid or if it was designed as a disc to be mounted behind the silver plate. A bit rushed for time or I'd post some photos. Will do so when I can.

Peter Brydon 31-03-17 03:02 PM

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D.R.,

I am sure a picture would help, this is what it says in the booklet "Home Service Helmet"

P.B.

der_rittmeister 03-04-17 01:07 PM

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Thanks that is helpful. I'm adding a couple of pics. An example found online plus a pic of mine disassembled.

Peter Brydon 03-04-17 02:26 PM

DR,

Looking at the picture of the plate you found on line, it looks like the green enamel on that one is on a disc,going by what appear to be radial lines similar to what I have seen on on other badges that had green enamel backing on a disc.It is certainly a lovely looking item.

The difficulty is going to be finding a disc, or having one made for your plate- good luck,worth some perseverance.

P.B.

Malcolm Davey 03-04-17 09:37 PM

DR your plate looks like the one I warned members about

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...er=desc&page=2 Caveat Emptor

der_rittmeister 05-04-17 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Malcolm Davey (Post 399999)
DR your plate looks like the one I warned members about

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...er=desc&page=2 Caveat Emptor

Well, anything is possible I suppose. However in all my days I have never come across a restrike of this plate, many English regiment officer's plates yes but never the Royal Scots. And I have some restrikes to compare to as well. I'm reasonably certain this is an old plate.

alan g 05-04-17 06:24 AM

Yes restrikes of this plate do exist, I think the one Malc posted is a good example

Malcolm Davey 05-04-17 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by der_rittmeister (Post 400197)
Well, anything is possible I suppose. However in all my days I have never come across a restrike of this plate, many English regiment officer's plates yes but never the Royal Scots. And I have some restrikes to compare to as well. I'm reasonably certain this is an old plate.

DR you are of course entitled to your own opinion, here is why I think yours is wrong.
If it is the same plate as the one I warned about it came from a well know faker of badges, the title scroll is wrong as I have only seen that type on Royal Scots shoulder belt plates.
For yours to be an old plate as you say I would have liked the scroll to say The Lothian Regiment.
Please show a full picture of yours front and back here so we can all see if I'm wrong then please accept my apologies.
Malc

alan g 05-04-17 09:36 AM

Malc
They had plates with Royal Scots scroll as well as Lothian Regt
Regards
Alan

Malcolm Davey 05-04-17 09:59 AM

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Malc
They had plates with Royal Scots scroll as well as Lothian Regt
Regards
Alan

Hi Alan yes I did know sorry what I ment was the scroll pattern I have only seen on Shoulder belt plates not helmet plates.
Malc

der_rittmeister 05-04-17 12:28 PM

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No worries Malcolm one way or the other. It's all about education. I'll be the first to admit I'm still learning.
I did find this pic online of an example that has a similar scroll to the shoulder belt plate. However, for all I know this could be a restrike. If it is or not it has some differences than mine. On mine both the scroll and the central thistle disc are silver. Seems to often be a lot of minor variations.
I wish I was home to consult Wilkinson and Kipling&King.

manchesters 05-04-17 01:03 PM

That picture you have posted is of a very poor quality reproduction.

If yours is like that then its a fake also.

If you show a photo front and back as Malcolm suggests we could be 100% one way or another.

regards

Jeff Mc William 05-04-17 04:22 PM

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Hi all
Sorry to enter the fray so late, but I have been trying to "dig-up" this pic from the late Sir Hanibal Scicluna collection circa 1974.
As you can see, there is both Lothian and Royal Scots (QVC & KC) shown here. As you say tho' the scroll on the helmet is not the same as on the SBP.
Hope this is of some help with your decision re fake or not d_r. Regards Jeff

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der_rittmeister 06-04-17 07:44 PM

Well I guess I need to bow to the collective wisdom. It looks like I did indeed get rooked. Not the first time, probably not the last. I guess I'd best learn to check on here first before I buy next time.

Malcolm Davey 06-04-17 08:06 PM

DR try contacting the seller and see if they will give a refund.
Malc


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