WELSH Pre 1920 Slip On Titles Opinion
 

Hi Team

Your thoughts and opinions on these WELSH slip on titles.

I have read BOBD(V1 pg8) and have read the posts on BBF regarding the "WELSH" v " WELCH" spelling and beleive these to be WWI WELSH slip on titles. As a collector I found this fascinating and enjoyable subject , vry complex to the outsider!

These were sold as WWII , my thoughts were based on the above, hence opinions.

These are machine embroidered on thick Melton(?) wool.

The measurments are:
Top: 1.18inch(30mm) x 2.95 inches(75mm)
Bottom: 1.18inches(30mm) x 2.75 inches(70mm)

I have searched the internet for similar examples, the only ones I have seen are WWII era staright and curved in Black on wool(?), which are differant in style and material used.

cheers

Phill

I would agree these are earlier than WWII, I'd happily have them in my collection

Thanks Jerry

Would these be pre 1920, as BODD mentions these slip on titles were only used for a short period of time and were removed from shoulder to top of arm due to equipment use obsuring the titles.

Also which WELSH regiments would of used these?

cheers

Phill

Hi Team

Just found on the forum, WWI slip on titles by MH331 in Albums shows a curved WELSH title.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...p?albumid=3043

Phill

The answer to the question is in the records of the Army Clothing Factory in this entry dated 8/4/1916.

Titles, Embroidered SD The following titles now embroidered, curved on a No 2 size patch 2” deep, will in future be made in a straight line on the No 3 size patch 1 ¼ inches deep.

Essex, Hants, Kings, Devon, Cork, Welsh, Wilts, W York, E York, York.

Jon

Thank you Jon

That solves the mystery of why there are/were curved and straight lettered titles.

Kevin thanks for showing the image of the title in use, I shall documnet the image with the WELSH slip on Titles.

Also good to know only worn by the WELSH Regiment.

Another question, were there units during WWI having the WELCH spelling?

Much appreciated for the replies and good to add a WWI example to my collection.

Phill

The Kings examples mentioned in Jon’s post shown here.

P.

Thank you Peter

Its great seeing the 2 styles of WWI slip on's side by side and the transition to WWII era.

That is a great display, are the Pugaree Flashes and KINGS white on red WWI era?

Phill

Thanks Kevin

Why was there accepted use of "S" and "C" by higher command or Army authroities when having official titles , cap badges made during WWI.

I'm guessing they would have consulted historical records for input?

To some limited knowledge I can undersatnd the historical use of S and C in cap badges but cloth was fairly new to be issued on a greater scale during WWI.

Again I realize these questions are 108 years late and possibly the answers are lost to history but it is an interesting history of ots own.

thanks for the follow up.

Phill

Thanks Kevin

I could not find the thread regarding why "there was a desire for C instead of S."

I have scoured the formation signs and Guards/Infantry forums and found referances to the change and other tidbits on the subject.

Maybe someone can point it out.

Again thanks for your input Kevin ,made my day to find out these are WWI pieces.

Phill

Phil,
according to the regimental histories there was a document that used the C spelling and though it is thought that it was a transcription error, the two regiments, Welsh and RWF, petitioned to use the C spelling but meanwhile some of the VB's used it anyway on buttons and badges as well as on documents.
In 1920 the war office sanctioned the use of the C spelling, though the modern regiment the Royal Welsh have returned to use of the S.