Queen's Westminster Rifles Veterans (& CSR)
 

Evening All,
As my friends on here know all my time lately seems to go on researching the men of the QWR, obviously this won't appeal to all but every now & then a little gem turns up!! I was looking through an old copy of the QWR&CSR Retired Members Association newsletter from April 1950 when I came across this article & photo of these 3 men looking at some old headgear, I was interested as I knew the names of the 2 QWR men but also I have a scan of another old photo from the same night which shows the same men in better detail, I have attached the 2 scans and more to follow,
Wilf.

The 3 men are named (L to R) W.F.H Rosenberg QWR, J.J Tinsley CSR & Dickie Dunn QWR. I was pleased to see Rosenberg wearing his Retired Members Association badge (attached) as he looks at the Rifle cap (attached) while Dunn who was the Pioneer Sgt looks at the Shako cap (I don't have one of these!!!!)
More to follow,
Wilf.

Finally I'd like to add photos of Rosenberg & Dunn in their earlier QWR days, great pics I hope you will agree, all the best,
Wilf.

Queen's Westminster Rifles Veterans (& CSR)
 

Lovely stuff Wilf, great to see.

Rob

Always extremely gratifying to be able to tie together apparently disparate pieces of info. Thanks for posting, Wilf. Keep up the great work.

JT

Wilf,

Thought you might like to see an example of the Colour Sgt.'s arm badge as worn by Col. Sgt. Rosenberg, when in the 13th Middlesex RVC pre- 1902.

Would you happen to know what two colours the chevrons were on which it sat?

regards

Thank you for the replies Gentlemen, glad it's of interest. Cracking arm badge there Simon, the chevrons are scarlet with a white edging to them, I have seen some but don't own any as yet I'm afraid, all the best,
Wilf

Cheers Wilf, need a set of those now!

You and me both mate :D

WOW, that is a nice badge of rank.
Andy

I think today with television , computer games and the internet to fill our leisure time it is easy to forget that in the late 19th Century and the first half of the 20th Century there were no such things and being a member of the Volunteers and later the Territorials was like being in an exclusive club that provided a wide range of social activities not otherwise available to its members and often the annual camp was the only opportunity that many members would have had for a holiday away from their home town.

I suppose it is no wonder that so many members appear to have been so proud to have been a member of their local unit or that many members had a long association with their unit.

The information that can sometimes be found in a units Association newsletter or magazine, as in Wilfs case is amazing, and may sometimes not be found elsewhere. I am always on the lookout for similar paperwork to any Liverpool units as you just dont know what gems they might contain.

P.B.

Really interesting stuff, Wilf. Many thanks for taking the time to post. Great photos too. It is wonderful to see a pre-war territorial in review order like that and then also mulling over things with his pals in later years. Any more on their stories at all?

Hope you do not mind a couple of questions regarding the full dress uniform?

Looking at other photos in your wonderful collection, and on the web, it occurred to me that the QWR must have had the most elaborate full dress uniform for London Regiment OR in the years immediately before WW1 (not forgetting the London Scottish, of course). For example, I don't think any other units still retained such elaborate cuffs and also, the fact that ORs and NCOs have a cap badge, as well as the bugle horn on the cord boss, on the rifle busby (almost officer-like, don't you think?). Do you have any comments on this?

I also noticed that in most photos of QWR in review order, they do not have any pockets on their tunics. However, in your one of Rosenberg, he does have them. Do you have any information on this? A bit of a small point, I know, I was just curious.

Apologies if I have not used the right terms at any point.

Cheers,

Chris

Wilf,

Was/is there a QWR Masonic lodge? Rosenberg has what appears to be a Masonic pendant partially visible just above his thumb...

Attachment 174106

There also seems to be a busby (bottom-left foreground) awaiting their inspection...

Attachment 174107

JT

Well said Peter, these old publications are a goldmine of information & time well spent going through them, many more discoveries ahead I hope,
Wilf.

Hi Chris,
I can't really comment with any certainty on the uniform issues mate, I'm just going on images found at the moment and going through all the publications I can to see what snippets of info I can find, it's going to be a long slow process I'm afraid. I did come across some nice 15th London photos so I'll try to sort some of them for you too,
All the best for now,
Wilf.