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Tweed 01-03-21 11:14 AM

3 x 17th Lancers review
 
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Gentlemen
A few more badges I recently found
The first is a brass with the old winking eye but is it the original die?
Kind regards Chay

GriffMJ 01-03-21 02:45 PM

first one = No
second one = yes (nice unvoided, 1920/30s)
third one = yes (LB&BCo made, post 1980)

Tweed 01-03-21 03:16 PM

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Thank you Griff!
Hereís a few for you to look at :))
1 and 2 look very similar except for the L
Kind regards Chay

Luke H 01-03-21 03:24 PM

Do please let me know if you decide to move on one of your two the solid scroll mottos. I forgot to bid on one a few days ago on eBay, ho-hum.

colin 17 01-03-21 03:37 PM

17th badges
 
I would be interested in any extras too if you are selling them?

Colin

GriffMJ 01-03-21 03:49 PM

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Hello Chay

Yes I like all of them..... especially the motto with the chain safety loop in the top and the pin and clasp. For me.... it puts this type into the early 1900s. I have a DHIY (Officers cast gilt washed) with similar fittings.

Tweed 01-03-21 03:55 PM

Hi Griff
Iím glad you like it ! I was wanting to share this so you can see! I am not a specialist collector like yourself in this field I just collect whatever comes my way :))

Kind regards Chay

Alex Rice 02-03-21 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GriffMJ (Post 540692)
Hello Chay

Yes I like all of them..... especially the motto with the chain safety loop in the top and the pin and clasp. For me.... it puts this type into the early 1900s. I have a DHIY (Officers cast gilt washed) with similar fittings.

Hi Griff
Surely this is just an O/Rs conversion to a sweetheart brooch, it is clear where the slider has been removed.
Cheers,
Alex

Alex Rice 02-03-21 06:46 AM

I am not an expert or even slightly knowledgeable about these badges and despite all the amazing pointers Griff and others have put on the forum to identify not only fakes, but also different makers and periods of wear, I still would rarely try to say yay or nay on authenticity of Mottos. I am however a little surprised that the first badge of the second set of photos is considered original. The massive die-flaw diagonally across the forehead would have put me off straight away.
Cheers,
Alex

GriffMJ 02-03-21 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Rice (Post 540754)
Hi Griff
Surely this is just an O/Rs conversion to a sweetheart brooch, it is clear where the slider has been removed.
Cheers,
Alex

Correct..... I was just showing a badge that had similar fittings.

GriffMJ 02-03-21 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Rice (Post 540755)
I am however a little surprised that the first badge of the second set of photos is considered original. The massive die-flaw diagonally across the forehead would have put me off straight away.
Cheers,
Alex

https://www.paoyeomanry.org.uk/Motto/NoEars2.htm

Tweed 02-03-21 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GriffMJ (Post 540815)

Thank you Griff
A very useful practical display of mottos
Kind regards Chay

GriffMJ 02-03-21 06:50 PM

... the full menu is here Chay (if you have not seen it already)

https://www.paoyeomanry.org.uk/Motto/MottoMainMenu.htm

Tweed 02-03-21 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GriffMJ (Post 540836)
... the full menu is here Chay (if you have not seen it already)

https://www.paoyeomanry.org.uk/Motto/MottoMainMenu.htm

Thank you and no I have not seen it!
I will check through and match up the ones I have ! Very interesting indeed
Kind regards Chay

Tweed 02-03-21 08:05 PM

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A long nose and a missing boned no ears 2

Tweed 02-03-21 08:12 PM

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No ears 1
Has some amazing polish on top left

Tweed 02-03-21 08:17 PM

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5 modern ones

GriffMJ 02-03-21 08:38 PM

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5 modern ones

Top two = LB&BCo
Bottom three = Shaw Munster, Firmin, Shaw Munster (by the look of them)

Tweed 02-03-21 08:58 PM

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Perfect ! Well spotted :))))

Alex Rice 03-03-21 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GriffMJ (Post 540815)

Great stuff, thanks.

Frank Kelley 06-03-21 03:23 PM

I think from the photographs the reverse looks quite crude.



Quote:

Originally Posted by GriffMJ (Post 540692)
Hello Chay

Yes I like all of them..... especially the motto with the chain safety loop in the top and the pin and clasp. For me.... it puts this type into the early 1900s. I have a DHIY (Officers cast gilt washed) with similar fittings.


GriffMJ 06-03-21 04:05 PM

....on the DHIY Frank?

Frank Kelley 06-03-21 04:26 PM

Hello Griff,
Yes, but, really nice obverse, were they always like that?
Regards Frank


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....on the DHIY Frank?


GriffMJ 06-03-21 04:33 PM

Hi Frank

Its an Egyptian sand cast i think, made when they were posted there in 1916. Its a copy of one of the senior officers Jennens & Co badges.... either for himself .... or for his wife.

I found it in an antiques shop in the USA of all places. :)

Frank Kelley 06-03-21 04:41 PM

Oh I see, that would explain it then, it just appeared so crude on the reverse, but, the front is very nice, I think if it was intended as a sweetheart brooch, any wife would be certainly delighted to receive it and I would think to wear it too.


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Originally Posted by GriffMJ (Post 541276)
Hi Frank

Its an Egyptian sand cast i think, made when they were posted there in 1916. Its a copy of one of the senior officers Jennens & Co badges.... either for himself .... or for his wife.

I found it in an antiques shop in the USA of all places. :)



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