17th Lancers in brass?
All,
Were there ever any all brass 17th lancers badges produced? I saw what appeared to be perfectly good badge (long tapering slider, good patina and fine strike), but not sure if they made them in the brass economy. Thanks, CB |
Ive always thought the cap badge that was worn during WW1 was brass. There was one on eBay a while ago, the only right one Ive ever seen, it came with a bed plate. After double checking my book they should be in guilded metal for WW1, so yes brass.
P.S. This isnt a cap badge, it was refered to by the 17th, 17th/21st and QRL as the 'Motto'. |
Brass ones exist but they are not economy as they were one piece and w/m. They have been widely reproduced. Oddly K&K list the 17st Lancers as having an all brass one but do not describe it as an economy badge.
The standard motto for WW1 and WW2 was white metal. Alan |
When I'm home I'll post my small collection of lancers badges, I have IIRC two different brass one and collar dogs to go with them.
Tom |
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Hi cbuehler,
21st Lancers Cap Badges (Motto for 17th Lancers) . Not my main collecting interests . 3748 Hussar |
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3748 Hussar have altered your pictures as it hurts my neck looking at the badges side ways,hope this is ok.
Malc |
According to K&K the 17th's motto is described as ....
" In white-metal. Officer's in silver, also in bronze. An economy issue in bronzed-brass was issued in 1916. " STM. |
I stand corrected. But Hugh King was not infallible. [B]Bronzed brass[B] does not sound like an economy badge however but a completely difffernt pattern. You don't bronze an economy badge but you might bronze a badge for wear on a particular order of dress - tropical for example? I have only ever seen contempory photos of the regt with wm badges.
Alan |
I was merely pointing out what it says in the book.
STM. |
Hmmm. Now what is "bronzed brass"? The one I saw was bright brass and certainly not bronzed in any way. If what I saw was good, they were produced on brass. If it was bad, perhaps not?
CB |
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Hi All.
I thought for some reason 21st Lancers thread wrong. I believe there to one of the badges in question on the pic 3748 Hussar |
The problem with this description is that it could well be an Officer's badge and wrongly attributed as an ORs.
Alan |
If anyone wants to know anything about the badges of any of the regiment that made up QRL please let me know, I did some work for RHQ at Grantham a number of years ago and I know a few people there.
One of the things I wanted to clear up today with Mr Holtby (the curator of the regimental museum as Belvoir) was which badge was worn during WW1 and this is what he said: Quote:
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Here is my "brass" motto. The seller unfortunately polished it a bit thinking it would sell better that way! The back shows some of the original patina. What say ye to this?
CB |
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Luke |
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