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funkeegirl81 16-04-21 08:52 PM

Trench or police whistle?
 
My father has a whistle with regp bukta B2 stamped on the barrel at the top of the whistle has patent 5727-08 attached is a leather wrist strap. I’m trying to research it but just coming to a dead end. I’m thinking it a police whistle but not seen any with these markings on. Any ideas?

On another note i have one with C.W.S stamped on it any ideas what that stands for?

Thanks 😊

leigh kitchen 16-04-21 08:58 PM

I don't know the answer to your question but I'd never heard of Bukta so googled it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukta

And CWS - the Co-Op?

funkeegirl81 16-04-21 09:33 PM

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Ahhh could be Cooperative Wholesale Society, is that a homeguards whistle?

That’s really interesting re bukta has thrown me a bit now... sports clothing?

Got a not very good photo of it.

gpag2 16-04-21 09:55 PM

the whistle is stamped REGD (registered design) BUKTA - Pretty sure it is made by Alfred de Courcy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_De_Courcy

Body stamps
De Courcy did not stamp whistles with his company name prior to 1906 but prior to this year supplied many orders to railway, Police, Army, Navy, Asylums, Fire Brigades, sporting goods companies, arm distributors and hardware stores as well as for other makers as W Dowler & Sons and B Lily & Sons. Many of his whistles prior to 1906 are easily identified by shape, construction and characteristic designs.

While his business and reputation grew he first stamped whistles A De Coursy & Co. Frankfort Street Birmingham in 1906.

It would be beyond the scope of this page to list all while some are still being discovered by collectors, here are some samples:

Stamped on GSWs:

Edinburg Police, Liverpool city police (Also marked with a crest at back), Leeds Police, Walsall Police, Westmorland Constabulary, W.R.C., Derby Borough Police, Lancashire County Constabulary
GPO General Post Office)
The City Patent Whistle
The City Police
The City Police or Fire Whistle
Boy Scouts whistles (GSW Type) The Scout, Girl Guide, The Boy Scouts, Bukta

Regards
Gary

funkeegirl81 16-04-21 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpag2 (Post 546337)
the whistle is stamped REGD (registered design) BUKTA - Pretty sure it is made by Alfred de Courcy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_De_Courcy

Body stamps
De Courcy did not stamp whistles with his company name prior to 1906 but prior to this year supplied many orders to railway, Police, Army, Navy, Asylums, Fire Brigades, sporting goods companies, arm distributors and hardware stores as well as for other makers as W Dowler & Sons and B Lily & Sons. Many of his whistles prior to 1906 are easily identified by shape, construction and characteristic designs.

While his business and reputation grew he first stamped whistles A De Coursy & Co. Frankfort Street Birmingham in 1906.

It would be beyond the scope of this page to list all while some are still being discovered by collectors, here are some samples:

Stamped on GSWs:

Edinburg Police, Liverpool city police (Also marked with a crest at back), Leeds Police, Walsall Police, Westmorland Constabulary, W.R.C., Derby Borough Police, Lancashire County Constabulary
GPO General Post Office)
The City Patent Whistle
The City Police
The City Police or Fire Whistle
Boy Scouts whistles (GSW Type) The Scout, Girl Guide, The Boy Scouts, Bukta

Regards
Gary

Ahhh its a D not a P i need my eyes testing. thank you so much for taking the time to reply. So this is before 1906? So being stamped Bukta would this be a boys scouts whistle? I didn’t even think of that i just thought it was military or police.

gpag2 16-04-21 10:12 PM

Google search came up with: THE INTIALS C.W.S. STAND FOR THE CO-OP WHOLESALE SOCIETY - THEY SET UP THEIR OWN AIR RAID PRECAUTIONS IN WW2, AND THESE WERE ISSUED TO THEIR WARDENS

Regards
Gary

gpag2 16-04-21 10:14 PM

Yep - I read it as a scout whistle

gpag2 16-04-21 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkeegirl81 (Post 546338)
Ahhh its a D not a P i need my eyes testing. thank you so much for taking the time to reply. So this is before 1906? So being stamped Bukta would this be a boys scouts whistle? I didn’t even think of that i just thought it was military or police.

Nice item - pre 1906

funkeegirl81 16-04-21 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpag2 (Post 546339)
Google search came up with: THE INTIALS C.W.S. STAND FOR THE CO-OP WHOLESALE SOCIETY - THEY SET UP THEIR OWN AIR RAID PRECAUTIONS IN WW2, AND THESE WERE ISSUED TO THEIR WARDENS

Regards
Gary

That’s really interesting air raid warden. saw the arrow and automatically went to military. But was thrown by c.W.s thank you 😊

funkeegirl81 16-04-21 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gpag2 (Post 546342)
Nice item - pre 1906

When I saw it with my father things I thought it looked nice. He’ll be fascinated when I tell him his WW1 military/ police whistle is actually Boy Scouts pre 1906. Thanks again. 😊

gpag2 16-04-21 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkeegirl81 (Post 546344)
When I saw it with my father things I thought it looked nice. He’ll be fascinated when I tell him his WW1 military/ police whistle is actually Boy Scouts pre 1906. Thanks again. 😊

Your welcome

Lancer 17 17-04-21 07:33 AM

Hi Guys

Re the Boy Scouts whistle, You have to remember that the trial scout camp was held on Brownsea Island in Poole harbour in 1907 so any whistle pre 1907 is not a scouting item.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Phil.

funkeegirl81 17-04-21 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lancer 17 (Post 546364)
Hi Guys

Re the Boy Scouts whistle, You have to remember that the trial scout camp was held on Brownsea Island in Poole harbour in 1907 so any whistle pre 1907 is not a scouting item.
I
Hope this helps.

Regards

Phil.


Hi Phil

Ahhhh I didn’t know that... hummm! So is it back to square one with trying to sus out what this whistle was used for... it did seem to read bukta was to do with the scouts... any ideas? Most interesting this little whistle track down is becoming 😊

mike_vee 17-04-21 08:11 AM

Bukta's own advertising for Scouts Kit mentions "since 1907".

The whistle being discussed is stamped B2 , one with a similar Bukta marking but stamped B3 was described as "Bukta police whistle" when sold at auction in January 2020.


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mike_vee 17-04-21 08:48 AM

A B3 stamped one for sale on eBay described as "ANTIQUE BRASS POLICE OR FIREMAN WHISTLE" with additional info :

Quote:

Marked on top 'Patent 6727'. Mark on side that looks like 'Rege Bukta' and another mark that looks like 'B3'.
NB. A version called 'The City' has a patent number 6727-08 stamped on it which seems to indicate that minor modifications/improvements were made by manufacturer/retailers.


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