WELSH FEATHERS LEINSTER FAKE
 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324473990...p2471758.m4704

This badge was amongst a huge group of fakes. I doubt it's genuine and is likely to lack the brasing hole. Buyer beware.

There were several genuine badges in that group of listings. I noted amongst others a genuine KC Para, HAC and another I forget.

Braze hole or not that one is also in my opinion genuine.

The repro curly scroll Leinsters have a die stamped reverse to ‘The Leinster’ scroll.

Looks like one of the few fake types to me. I've given up trying to find a genuine one. I think the lack of bids reflects other people's opinions of it too.

I have seen many mis-struck badges before but I think this is the first one I have seen where the scroll is off-centre. Looks wrong.
Cheers,
Alex

At £10.49 plus £1.50 I think some very lucky bidder has bagged a real bargain!:eek:

It's not one that I, with my limited knowledge and experience of badge collecting, would bid on.
The seller, in the description does state " We cannot guarantee this badge is original, it is most likely a copy or restrike"

Most ‘original’ and ‘genuine’ badges on eBay in fact aren’t. Sellers descriptions can work both ways. Buy every badge on its merits not on who the seller is or their story/description.

Note the small protrusion of metal on the (viewers) left plume from the front. This is seen on all the genuine curly scroll type, even the one is Alan’s album - https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=62188 . Both badges are from the same die.

I hadn't noticed that burr before, you're certainly eagle eyed. In fact there are two on mine - the other burr being slightly to the right closer to the stem.
Mark

Thanks for your input Luke, I was unaware the burr on the plume, that is certainly a valuable piece of information.
As a relative newbie having being stung with a few howlers, I tend to err on the side of caution.

best regards, David

Luke. Thanks for pointing this out, little bits of info like this are very useful.
Regards
Chris.

I think that the lack of bids reflects upon the lack of knowledge as far a potential buyers are concerned and to a degree upon the seller and all the rubbish being offered, in that a buyer has to wade through it to find the odd original badge.
I would not give up looking for an example if I were you, they are fairly common badges, it is a pity you thought that example was a fake, ten quid was certainly a good buy for someone.

To throw a spanner in the works I would not want the particular badge under discussion in my collection. As the Leinster Regiment was disbanded in 1922 there should be no need to manufacture Leinster Regiment badges after that date.

Therefore, I would expect any Leinster Regiment cap badge to have the characteristics of badges using the construction methods of the time. We are all aware that brazing methods used at the time had the capacity for the two pieces being brazed to slip out of position due to the heat and gases created in the process. Hence the use of sweat holes to allow the gases to escape.

My understanding is that later brazing techniques did away with the need for sweat holes and the extra manufacturing costs involved. We have all seen cap badges whose design did not change between 1902 and 1952 with both sweat holes and without sweat holes, and my contention is that those with sweat holes are the earlier badges.

Hi
Agreed if you compare to a badge using the Leinster die as you illustrate, but that shown is a WWI economy measure where the top half of a Welsh Regiment badge has had a purpose made all brass Leinster scroll tacked to the bottom. Perhaps then the comparison should be made with a Welsh Regiment badge which usually has a single sweat hole behind the coronet. However, again as this is a WWI economy measure, the fact that there isn't one doesn't raise too many concerns in my mind.
Debatable?
Mark

Mark,

I am happy to debate, as it is what makes this forum so interesting.

However, I am slightly confused by your mention of a 1916 Economy Issue badge, as I was referring to the badge mention in Alan's original post.

I am also unsure as to why a badge manufacturer who had previously manufactured Leinster Regiment cap badge would resort to using a Welsh Regiment cap badge as the basis for making a Leinster Regiment E.I. badge.

Simon

This is the Leinster Regiment Economy Issue cap badge.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=88236

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=128984

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=128983