King died February 1952 , old (King's) badges would be used until new ones (Queen's) could be manufactured.

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thank you very much, I take advantage of this post to show you some badge I have

I don't know when the Queen's Crown badges would've been available, it may not have taken much time as they were private purchase.
Again, I don't know how long it took after King George VI died before the caps were stamped by appointment to the "Late King", or before Herbert Johnson received the Queen's Warrant.
Never say never, but I'd not rush to buy a post 1952 cap badged up with King's Crown insignia and bearing by appointment to the Queen and not the late King.
Whatever, it ain't WWII although no doubt some sellers would present it as such to boost the price.

The nuance to this is that the old badges would be worn until existing stocks ran out. Whilst new k/c badges may not have been manufactured until the sealed patterns were designed, approved and produced, this process would have taken some months and years. Even then the k/c badges in stores would have been issued before any q/c ones were produced.

This saw k/c badges still in use in 1958 when the amalgamations of cavalry and infantry brigade badges replace them with completely new designs. The 8th KRIH were still wearing k/c on amalgamation in 1958 for example.

I read that Warrants expired "no longer than 5 years after death" and the Gazette shows they were still using "Late King" until 1957.

Can't find Gazette details of when Queen granted warrant.

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Good to date the "Late King" markings.
I'd want a good look at any signs of badge and buttons replacement on that cap.

useful info on the late usage of the late king warrant

It seems the same rule applied for warrants issued by the Queen Mother but have changed with the death of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

https://www.royalwarrant.org/sites/d...%20Holders.pdf

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Again, interesting stuff.

I think I have the change over somewhere - BUT I do know that the Liverpool Irish only changed from KC to QC in 1964 !

I wonder if HM The Queen would have needed Herbert Johnson to make military headwear?
Hence perhaps no QEII Royal Warrant was issued?

Tim

Herbert Johnson caps are marked by appointment to the Queen so presumably the warrant has been granted.

The Royal Appointment was as "Hatter" , they didn't just make military items.


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Mike,

I have it at 1936-38, and good to see it with an actual date from a period publication


also showing the modern QEII and prince of wales version