Kings Liverpool Militia (?) helmet DNW May lot 681
 

There are a couple of interesting Kings Liverpool home service pattern helmets in the DNW May auction.

I am not sure if this one is what they describe is as:

https://www.dnw.co.uk/auctions/catal...13402&search=1

I think the helmet plate ( which looks silver and gilt to me ) is the last regular officers pattern ( 1911-1914 ) and not a militia item and that the helmet with all silver fittings is a Volunteer or Territorial item.

Interesting to hear if other members have opinions.

P.B.

Peter,

A very knowledgable collector once told me that the Helmet Furniture colour should always match the colour of the Helmet plate Star.

In this case there is clearly a mis-match.

The plate doesnt belong on the helmet.

I have bought a couple of helmets from DNW that have come from this huge overseas collection and can say he must have an outstanding collection, but probably hoovered up absolutely everything without much consideration to whether the plate had always been on the helmet. I put that in unusually delicate terms for me!

regards

Thanks Simon,

Peter

I agree with you too Simon.
Andy

I agree wrong helmet plate.

Yes, I agree - a regular 1911 Pattern officer's HP on a VBn or TF Bn officer's helmet. Nice items but they do not go together. Apart from making helmets, Hobson also made HPs and badges.

I can't remember where I put it ...
but at the 10.4.08 meeting of the West Lancs TF Assoc appointed Hobsons & Sons were contracted for the Service Dress requirements... (ie not for the regular units). (356 WES 4/1)


I think Firmin were suppliers for the new 1896 Pattern - as many of the new badges were Firmin

I have a nice silver plated 5th Bn badge but the difference with other makers - I now have GWM badges with the same die - is it H&S ?


There are H&S large HP VB plates in WO359/21


It's clear that Hobsons provided insignia for the new KLR Vol Bns - see below!



(The badge manufacturers as described by Ticker - the 1939 Min of Supply lists badge needs - here they list the manufacturer and note new die needed)