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2747andy 17-09-14 07:39 AM

Spurious Gaunt London Plates on RND badges
 
There appears to be a recent influx of dodgy badges to the market with "Suspect" "J.R.GAUNT LONDON" makers plates! Mostly on eBay but a reputable dealer and Forum member has been "Hood Winked" no pun intended, as they have recently listed three RND badges (now removed from sale), all of which appear to sporting wonky plates?

There was the Lonsdales that Simon (Longshanks) started a thread on and now these!

I will add a guide to this thread later today!

Andy

Alan O 17-09-14 08:30 AM

The issue is that a Gaunt plate marked Red Cross badge is £3. Remove an original plate and add it to a good fake RND badge and it is saleable at 10 x the cost of the badge and plate.

2747andy 17-09-14 08:35 AM

Alan,
a very valid point but removing the plates which are often bedded in braze would probably give even the most novice of novices some clue to tampering? But one to watch out for!

Andy

2747andy 17-09-14 08:39 AM

Plated Royal Naval Division Badges
 
If any member is pondering over purchasing a Plated (plate attached and not the coating) RND, then a visit to Paddy's RND album may save you some embarrassment and a considerable amount of cash too!

Andy

LONGSHANKS 17-09-14 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan O (Post 277782)
The issue is that a Gaunt plate marked Red Cross badge is £3. Remove an original plate and add it to a good fake RND badge and it is saleable at 10 x the cost of the badge and plate.


Funny you should bring that up Alan. I bought a good Highlanders badge a few years ago that has the location of the plate, but it looks removed, or it may have fell off. Not sure. Maybe it was added to a RND etc to get the value you say.

I mean a 10 pound Scots badge to get a 100 pound RND.

Here's the badge

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=90686

Simon.

2747andy 17-09-14 09:22 AM

Simon,
???? the plate is still there, just rubbed smooth! Removing a plate would IMO wreck it!

Andy

LONGSHANKS 17-09-14 09:34 AM

Nah Andy. The edge you see at the bottom is raised. The plate is actually gone. You need to see it from an angle. But it's framed now so I can't post one for you.

I think it may have fell off, or maybe prized off.

Simon.

2747andy 17-09-14 09:46 AM

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Simon,
I disagree, it looks as though it is still there, but you have the badge! :rolleyes: They are often polished smooth, as I believe the War Office stopped makers marking their badges, and it was probably easier to polish them smooth than to remove those already fitted?

The original plates are paper thin, quite often not neatly cut as are the Fake ones! The lettering is often very lightly struck, whereas on the copies it is often very deep. The genuine plates measure 8mm (wide) 3-4mm (high), the Fakes are often larger. The genuine plates have at least two layouts to the Font, on one the J.R.GAUNT and LONDON the same length and sit neatly above each other on the other style the LONDON is again below but slightly narrower and sits justified. On the Fake plates, which are often much thicker, the LONDON is wider than the J.R.GAUNT set above it!

Some genuine examples, the RE has been cleaned to aid photography!

Andy

2747andy 17-09-14 10:03 AM

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A fake plate on a fake CHICKEN, next to a Genuine plate on a Dragon. Even from the images you can see the wonky plates are larger and thicker!

badger123 17-09-14 10:15 AM

Very good observations Andy and I note that the dealer has now removed the items.

Its good to know that reputable dealers value their customers and their reputation and listen to comments made by others (as opposed to those who are in a constant state of denial).

Ivan

2747andy 17-09-14 04:27 PM

Back on Thread
 
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Here are the badges that were removed from sale, provided by Lew Shotton for the use of Forum members, Many thanks! The detail on the front of the badges is clearly different to that on the originals but the effort gone in to "Forging" these plates is a worry and members should consider the pointers posted above on encountering a "Plated" badge!

Andy

badger123 17-09-14 07:17 PM

Andy,
Not wishing to hijack your thread (honest Guv).

Would it be worthwhile people sending pictures of their real and fake tablets a bit like the 'cast badge' thread?

Am happy to contribute with what I have.

Ivan

2747andy 17-09-14 07:25 PM

Ivan,
ANYTHING or any information which prevents collectors from spending their "Hard Earned" on fakes, forgeries, reproductions or pure fantasy items can only be of benefit!

Andy

Nozzer 17-09-14 07:36 PM

Sorry for the quality, they are quite old pictures.......

A duffer!

Nozzer 17-09-14 07:43 PM

Here is my Hertfordshire Regiment one.

I have no problems with it.

I will get a close up tomorrow.......

Andy


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