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Brian Conyngham 09-09-18 08:56 PM

Ist type SAAF Eagle Finial
 
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This is a 1st Type SAAF Swooping Eagle finial, some have said these date back to just after WW1 and there is no actual proof of this but appear to have been worn up to the mid to late 1930's by some Officers possibly Aide de Camps. See officer on left.

I have only ever seen this one picture of it actually being worn, would appreciate more info or pictures. Feel free to contribute to this thread.

I purchased this one 2 years ago being sold as a "Imperial German Helmet Ornament" or so the label said .... ! :D

Brian

leigh kitchen 09-09-18 09:05 PM

I've never seen or heard of these helmet fittings before - very interesting items.

Drummajor 09-09-18 10:25 PM

Yes, I agree, very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Phil.

Alex Rice 10-09-18 05:44 AM

Hi Brian
That's a fantastic piece and amazing photo. Have you id'd the senior officer sitting? I though maybe Sir Pierre VR but I think not. Nice to see the rare embroidered collar badges being worn as well. Are the other 2 senior officers also Air Force? The helmets look the same as the captain but no brevets, though the guy on the left may have one slightly hidden by his aiguillette?I'm very interested because I'd never thought of the Air Force using the staff cap badge, so that's news to me. Can you see if the badges are just the lion on the crown or the lion holding the staves on the crown?
Thanks, cheers,
Alex

Frank Kelley 10-09-18 07:30 AM

A very good buy and a very handsome eagle, certainly not a nasty Prussian one!

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Originally Posted by Brian Conyngham (Post 453734)
This is a 1st Type SAAF Swooping Eagle finial, some have said these date back to just after WW1 and there is no actual proof of this but appear to have been worn up to the mid to late 1930's by some Officers possibly Aide de Camps. See officer on left.

I have only ever seen this one picture of it actually being worn, would appreciate more info or pictures. Feel free to contribute to this thread.

I purchased this one 2 years ago being sold as a "Imperial German Helmet Ornament" or so the label said .... ! :D

Brian


Brian Conyngham 10-09-18 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Kelley (Post 453766)
A very good buy and a very handsome eagle, certainly not a nasty Prussian one!

Frank

I was over the moon with this buy.

Brian

Brian Conyngham 10-09-18 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Rice (Post 453756)
Hi Brian
That's a fantastic piece and amazing photo. Have you id'd the senior officer sitting? I though maybe Sir Pierre VR but I think not. Nice to see the rare embroidered collar badges being worn as well. Are the other 2 senior officers also Air Force? The helmets look the same as the captain but no brevets, though the guy on the left may have one slightly hidden by his aiguillette?I'm very interested because I'd never thought of the Air Force using the staff cap badge, so that's news to me. Can you see if the badges are just the lion on the crown or the lion holding the staves on the crown?
Thanks, cheers,
Alex

Alex I think the chap on the right was one of the Brinks, maybe George? Will try and find out more, Im sure there is a similar uniform in the SAAF museum?

Will Endley sent me this pic, he would have been able to confirm who is who.

Brian

Arthur R 10-09-18 09:02 AM

Very nice eagle and photo, Brian.

The officer standing on the right certainly looks like George Brink. The one sitting down is Maj Gen Andries Brink, who was Chief of the General Staff 1920-33. The SAAF captain on the left could be Barend Viljoen, who joined the SAAF in 1927 and became Air Chief of Staff in the 1950s.

Alex Rice 10-09-18 09:31 AM

Was George Brink Air Force? There are 3 Brinks in the the new book of WWI Airmen of the Great War by Schoeman & Bisset but neither of these are listed.
Cheers,
Alex

Arthur R 10-09-18 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Rice (Post 453778)
Was George Brink Air Force? There are 3 Brinks in the the new book of WWI Airmen of the Great War by Schoeman & Bisset but neither of these are listed.

No, he was SA Staff Corps. The officers with plumes on their helmets are all SA St C.

Alex Rice 11-09-18 06:05 AM

Thanks Arthur.
I don't know much about the make up of the Staff Corps so thought maybe Air Force personnel on posts within the corps.
Cheers,
Alex

milhistry 23-09-18 09:15 AM

That photograph was taken at the opening of Parliament in the 1930s. The officers are Capt Viljoen , Major Charles Meredith , Col George Brink (at that time OC Cape Command) and sitting is Maj Gen AJE Brink, Chief SA General Staff.

Viljoen I think became a Major-General and Chief of air Staff in the 1960s.

George Brink was OC Cape Command, then Director Military Operations, GOC 1 Division, GOC Inland Area, at some point I think DCGS and eventually Director General of Demobilisation as Lt Gen.

Meredith was ex SAAF and was a Staff Officer at the Castle during the 1930s. He later went to Rhodesia where he commanded the Rhodesian Air Training Group. He retired as Air Vice Marshal Sir Charles. A relative of mine was on staff of OC Cape Command in the 1920s & 1930s and Meredith's signature appears often on his conduct sheets.

Andries Brink was CGS until succeeded by van Ryneveld in 1938 I think. He retired as a Lt Gen.

I will see if I can dig out the dates for the change from eagle to springbok. The change of ornament had something to do with the weight or balance of it IIRC

Brian Conyngham 24-09-18 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milhistry (Post 455024)
That photograph was taken at the opening of Parliament in the 1930s. The officers are Capt Viljoen , Major Charles Meredith , Col George Brink (at that time OC Cape Command) and sitting is Maj Gen AJE Brink, Chief SA General Staff.

Viljoen I think became a Major-General and Chief of air Staff in the 1960s.

George Brink was OC Cape Command, then Director Military Operations, GOC 1 Division, GOC Inland Area, at some point I think DCGS and eventually Director General of Demobilisation as Lt Gen.

Meredith was ex SAAF and was a Staff Officer at the Castle during the 1930s. He later went to Rhodesia where he commanded the Rhodesian Air Training Group. He retired as Air Vice Marshal Sir Charles. A relative of mine was on staff of OC Cape Command in the 1920s & 1930s and Meredith's signature appears often on his conduct sheets.

Andries Brink was CGS until succeeded by van Ryneveld in 1938 I think. He retired as a Lt Gen.

I will see if I can dig out the dates for the change from eagle to springbok. The change of ornament had something to do with the weight or balance of it IIRC

Thanks for clarifying this photograph with names and a date.


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