2nd King Edward's Horse
 

Hi All
Is this a collar badge for KEH? I don't know much about collars but assume it must be one. Thanks.
Cheers,
Alex

Alex,

A collar for 2 KEH which is a different unit from KEH.
Certainly looks like it. Have the loops been replaced?

Garry

Hi Garry
Thanks. It's possible that the lugs have been replaced, it was a good job if they were though.
Cheers,
Alex

G'day Alex

That is a monster of a collar dog at about 40mm high, however the hat badge that I have is 60mm high and 45mm wide, so I would think that it follows, my hat has a slider and yours has lugs so again Id say its a collar.

The 2nd KEH badges are much larger than 1st KEH, the 1st hat is 58mm high by 35mm wide, however the collar is much smaller at 25mm high by 18mm wideand my collar has lugs. However the collars book only shows one for the 1st and none for the 2nd.

I hope that this helps,

Phil.

Hi Phil
It was because of it's size that I asked the question. I thought it may have been a side cap badge or something like that.
Cheers,
Alex

Alex
I have 2KE cap badge of this size (39 mm) with a slider 47 mm long! i.e.pagri style.
Cheers
Bill

They were raised in 1914 and served in UK and France before disbandment in1917. Therefore no requirement for any FSH or pagi badges. Likewise only peaked caps were worn and no side caps as far as I can find any record of.

There was a reserve Sqn which survived the 1917 disbandment of the main regt but that was in Ireland. That Sqn was subsequently enlarged and then the regt finally disbanded again in 1924.

I beleive the collar badges were the KEH/KODR initials and not reduced cap badge designs.

Alan

Some 2KEH in Khaki http://www.rcmpveteransvancouver.com...4-WW-I_web.jpg

2KEH
 

Hi

Can someone explain the size difference in these two 2KEH badges please?

I had thought that perhaps the smaller was a collar badge de-lugged and slider-ed but there is no evidence of lugs.

I'm trying to decide which is appropriate to my WW1 Canadian Cavalry Brigade display. Any help appreciated. :D

regards
Darrell

It's an old badge from the 1970s. Spurious and not contemporary.

Hi Alan

Thank you for that. Out of the UK, I presume. Were they based on collar badges, do you know?

Sorry to hear that it is no good but still, I have the larger. :)

regards
Darrell

Collar bagdes were not supposed to be worn during the war.

In my opinion its a fake based on a picture of a badge and faked in the wrong size.

Hi Alan

Again, my thanks. I failed to see your bit about believing that they had used KEH style.

I had seen that it was similar to the badge shown in the first post and had to ask.

regards
Darrell

This is my mates Web page relating to the KEH some of you may find this interesting.

http://kingedwardshorse.net/index.html

Regards Rob

Hey Rob

What a great page, thanks for sharing. Lots of great Info & photos.

Regards Phil

Hi Phil

Thanks for that. I had seen the site and it does look to be a fine one.

Perhaps I'm missing something though; is there 2KEH info there?

regards
Darrell

I am researching the uniforms and badges of the King’s Colonials, King Edward’s Horse and the unrelated 2nd King Edward’s Horse in a site www.kingscolonials.com

The smaller badge with the slider is indeed a 1970s fantasy item.

OSD collars were worn by some Officers of the 2nd KEH. These are yet to be added to an update of the site.

There is no photographic evidence to support shoulder titles being worn as collar badges.

Cheers Dean.

Reverse of OSD die cast 2KEH collar badge with loops, cheers Dean.

The collar came with an OSD set for King Edward’s Horse post 1916.

Reverse

Here is the wearers field modified 2 KEH shoulder title

Here are pre-1916 King Edward’s Horse OSD collar badges, Saxon Crown, cheers Dean

Reverse of die cast, looped King Edward’s Horse OSD collars, cheers Dean.

A selection of 2nd KEH badges showing ORs cap, Officer’s OSD cap and collars (one broached and worn as a sweetheart badge), enameled sweetheart badge, pair of shoulder titles and buttons plus the fantasy slidered badge for size comparison.

Cheers Dean

Very nice and rare badges Dean.
Thanks for showing them

regards

Well done Dean and yes I think Peters web site deals with 1st KEH ( Australians that served ) as this is his area of collecting.

Thanks Simon and Jack.

Peter’s site www.kingedwardshorse.net is a terrific resource. He helped me when I started out researching their badges in greater detail.

A selection of KEH badges. 1910-1916 Saxon Crown ORs and OSD version and post-1916 ORs KC cap badge, matching GM and OSD collars for Saxon Crown pre-1916 badges and post-1916 OSD cap and collars. Officers and senior NCOs pouch badge, shoulder titles and buttons www.kingscolonials.com cheers Dean

All WW1 era KEH cap badges for both 1st and 2nd were slidered. Lugs are the sure sign of a fake.

That may be true for ORs badges Alan whilst noting that KEH and 2KEH Officer’s Service Dress badges were bladed. Cheers Dean

Dean

Yes I was referring to ORs' badges only. Having looked several sales sites, dealers who watch the forum please note.

Alan

Indeed Alan,

They also might like to stop referring to King’s Colonials headdress badges as Boer War slouch hat badges - a war they never served in, cheers Dean.

Hi Dean

Thank you for that. I like visuals!! :)

Nice collection.:cool:

regards
Darrell

Thanks Darrell - always keen to add to the collection, cheers Dean

The only two 2KEH badges I have.
The one missing what I assume was a slider is a nicely struck, thick, heavy item but seems to be more of an officer's OSD bronzed quality item than an OR's slidered.
If genuine, would it be a pagri badge?

The regiment existed for 3 years in UK and France so it's not a pagri bagde.

Darn - I forgot how short lived the unit was.......

It is the buttons that interest me, the back stamp, not messrs Hobson is it?

KEH & 2KEH buttons
 

Hi Frank,

My KEH buttons are unmarked or if marked they are Hobson’s & Sons or Jennens & Co whilst my 2KEH being Armfield Birmingham.

Are you aware of other makers?

Cheers Dean

Thanks Dean, just wondered, Armfield was a good maker, you have to be very careful these days with all the spurious rubbish around.
Regards Frank

I am not convinced your first 2KEH badge is an OSD version sorry Leigh. I think it is an ORs badge. Both of my OSD ones had blades, one now replaced with loops, cheers Dean

Indeed Frank - I research them for the website as majority of what I see are copies, reverse of a pair of 2KEH tunic breast buttons, cheers Dean