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I wish I had this example, worn a member of the Hussars, lovely big badge.
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Frank,
Would be like the large one shown below. regards |
How many collectors of Scout badges have their own Queen's Scout Badge?
I sweated blood to gain it, finally managed in 1954. I have the cloth and metal/ enamel versions safely framed. Just boasting. |
1954? If you'd got a wiggle on it could've been a King's Scout Badge.
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With thanks, JT |
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Ginger didn't get a second badge but he did get a second certificate, which may have made him unique to go along with being mad. |
JT: I will have to dig for the 1903 reference but will do so. I fear that the pattern numbers were beyond my interest in the long ago when I did the research ....... the hobby has moved on!
My odds and sods are in the attic, only the good stuff is in my study. Next time I ascend I will fight the tarantulas and look. One unofficial cloth badge that I recall is clearly cut from KD sewn on an SD backing and with hooks [as in hooks and eyes] to attach to uniform. |
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Thank you. JT |
Yes, they sound very interesting.
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Indeed, a lovely collection you have there, the large examples do seem really quite scarce things these days.
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If the larger badges were withdrawn circa 1907, it may certainly go some way to account for the relative scarcity of them, but, where does this information come from?
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This information comes from the ACD Records of Changes. 'Badges Arm Scouts Gilding Metal with Plates and Pins - Cavalry incl. Household Cavalry and Infantry - ACD/Cav:/993' JT |
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Not sure that he is a Wilts Yeoman? Their cap badge was white metal until post 1947. If you look at his buttons he has a mix of GS on the pockets and Hussars half balls on the jacket opening. The shoulder title looks straight.
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Could somebody with access to actual examples, or official records, provide dimensions for these badges; larger and smaller patterns, please?
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https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...22&postcount=1 Tim |
Mine are as follows:-
Large with Bar = 83mm x 45mm Large = 69mm x 45mm Small with bar = 44mm x 25mm Small = 37mm x 25mm |
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In any case I have seen a photo [tunic order]of a scout wearing the badge with white backing to match his facing colour. |
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G'day Guys
I have both the Scout badges with and without bars but don't have both sizes of the 2, nor do I have a Queen's Scout badge that I earned as a Senior Scout but do have several different examples in my Scout Badge collection. However I do have a copy of the small red fabric covered copy of Gale & Polden's Military Series, Aids to Scouting for N.-C.-Os. & Men By Lieut.-Gen. R.S.S. Baden- Powell dated 1909.This is a second edition. The book is 4 3/4" wide by 5 3/4" high and has 178 pages with a few small drawings but no illustration of the badges them selves or any information as to how and where to wear them. I hope that this helps. Regards Phil. |
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Thanks for posting the measurement, I have made a note for future reference. Regards Phil. |
Very interesting thread.
Thanks Tony. |
Okay, many thanks, the smaller examples do seem to turn up more often than the larger ones, but, I would think that the large ones were worn beyond 1907, by some soldiers, for example, whilst the Hussar in post forty one may certainly be pre 1914, I suspect he is also post 1907, but, by how much, I do not know.
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Hello Simon,
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Unsurprisingly, the sizes mentioned by Simon are the same as those that I have looked at, but, I wonder if there was any considerable variation in the size of cloth examples?
Has anyone got any cloth examples they can actually show? |
NOT A SCOUT BADGE!!! Sniper 47 London Div WW2
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Has anybody mentioned the embroidered Scout badge of FdL with bar embroidered in yellow on red cloth used by 8th Bn Suffolk's during WWI?
I'd forgotten about it (ref. Formation Sign 158 of 1990 and The Badges of Kitchener's Army by David Bilton) |
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Thats Not a Scout badge. Its a Company Sniper's badge of the 47th London Division c. 1942. regards |
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Thanks, I was aware, hence I described it as a fleur de lys. Tim |
Tim,
However this thread is entitled "The Scout Badge" and it maybe as a result of your post be thought of by others as an example of a scout badge, which as you are aware, it is not, hence my clarification. regards |
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To be fair there was a big overlap/ morphing of the functions of scout, sniper, observer, intelligence in the Great War. There is anecdotal evidence of snipers wearing the scout badge ..... there was not a sniper badge as such at that time.
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I would certainly be very interested to know of any variation in the size of the cloth versions of the Army Scout badge, that is relevant to this thread.
Again, has anyone got any examples that they can actually post in this thread? |
I have found my scruffy little cloth version s advertised above. Hope to scan and post over the weekend. Dont hold your breath ..... "interesting" is polite!
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The cloth example looks to be quite a sizeable badge, were the measurements given when it was recently sold?
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I like it, it has character. I only have a couple of "homemade" insignia, a rank chevron and some overseas service chevrons embroidered on swatches of cloth having presumably been applied directly to the tunic sleeves. They're interesting although I see the case for sticking with insignia of more conventional and official manufacture.
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