24th Lancers badge...help info required.
 

Hello guys,

If someone could please help me with this 24th lancers badge, is it an original ww2 badge ? thank you. Paul.


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Unfortunately these badges were widely restruck in the 1970s. Unlike the 26th Hussars where the die used had noticeable flaws compared to the original badges, the 24th lancers badges are nigh on impossible to differentiate.

However I would prefer to see a slider on this badge rather than lugs.

Hello Alan,

Thank you for help and information much its appreciated. :)

I have only recently been getting interested in British badges so my knowledge is some what limited but what type of badge would be used on a WW2 British beret ? ...lugs or slider ? , my thought that slider was WW1 time frame or there about's.

The use of sliders remained the norm for most cap badges in WW2 even for units wearing berets.

The majority of regts wore side caps then GS caps.

Whilst the RAC, Para and RTR all wore lugged badges on their berets, many regiments, including the war- raised cavalry ones, retained sliders. The 22nd Dragoons, 26th 25th Dragoons and the 23rd Hussars all wore badges with sliders.

Alan

I believe that both Firmin and Gaunt dies exist for this badge. The Firmin badges do come with a named slider.

The 2 dies have minor variations in the fine details.

If you search the Forum you will see examples of both lugged and slidered versions.

This is the Firmin one:

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=105087

I would replace that if I were you, there used to be plenty of those around, far too many, four decades ago, I should imagine they have found their way into collections, these days, they seem to command a high price.

Ironically, the only RAC and RTR rankers badges I have with a WW2 provenance, to the same individual, both have sliders.

The First pattern RAC brass RAC in wreath were slidered whilst the mailed fist are mostly found with lugs.

The 24L ORs shown in this thread, I call the ‘Flange’ fake.

With other notable details aside, the most prominent tell-tale on this fake is the surplus metal adjoining the lance and circlet directly above the letter ‘R.’

Best,

Marcus

Hi guys,

Thank you for the information and help, really appreciated.

If anyone has a 24th lancers badge for sale with slider, happy to pay good coin for it.;)

Cheers
Paul.

Hi guys,

What do you think of this one...WWII or earlier ? cheers.

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This is an original Firmin die badge with an unmarked slider.

The 24L were raised in Dec 1940 and disbanded in Aug 1944.

Interestingly, the only examples I've had with a provenance, including this one, were Firmin made.
The regiment was very badly mauled in the wretched Bocage, notwithstanding, it's members did their best with the equipment they had been given, it was, on occasion, certainly better to bale than face certain death.

Thanks guys appreciate the feed back on the badge. cheers.

Kind regards
Paul.

Certainly nice badges to collect, Paul, but, you do need to be careful, it is unfortunate that the whole market place is awash with all the rubbish from the many individuals such as Messrs Green, Tenniswood and Butler, with the result so often being that fake examples are offered for the price of originals.