I like the sound of this badge.

The cloth example looks to be quite a sizeable badge, were the measurements given when it was recently sold?

Somebody loved it.

I like it, it has character. I only have a couple of "homemade" insignia, a rank chevron and some overseas service chevrons embroidered on swatches of cloth having presumably been applied directly to the tunic sleeves. They're interesting although I see the case for sticking with insignia of more conventional and official manufacture.

All I can find in the PVCN are listed below.

Marc

Thank you.
There are also references in Clothing Regs and in the RACD ledgers. They contradict none of your research.

Thank you, unfortunately I do not have any of those. As there is only one of each badge listed which size would you say they were for?

Marc :)

Off the cuff, the small, later ones. I will have a shufti, but it will be after this coming weekend.

No rush, and thank you.

Marc :)

From RACD ledger, my notes:

1.1.05 Badges Cavalry scouts 1st class with bar, 2nd class without bar, gilding metal
15.3.05 Badges scouts cavalry to be worn full dress Date uncertain
3.7.07 Badges Scouts gilding metal, 1st and 2nd, size reduced
3.7.07 Badges Scouts, reduced size [gm] 1st and 2nd class size reduced, rubbings included.
16.7.07 Badges Scouts, black backing small size .

2. Cavy Drill Manual 1896 ...."ground scouts" employed in reconnoitring the ground"

3. 1897. Scout badge intro. VDG by B-P

4. 1899. "Aids to Scouting" by B-P " badge fleur de lys representing north point compass, one officer per regiment, and eight men per squadron.

5. Clothing Regs 1909 [not mentioned in previous CR] Cavalry and Infantry First class with bar, and also describes the junior version for cavalry but not for infantry. [CR often a bit behind the drag curve and show signs of clerical and admin errors]

Thanks Grumpy lots of good information there particularly in relation to size.

regards

Hi Grumpy

Thanks for the additional info, I have noted this for further reference.

Regards & Merry Christmas.

Phil.
Down Under.

That is a very odd looking badge, I would think not issued by the Army, but, ertainly not the normal embroidered, worsted type shown in post thirty nine, are any of the other several you mention in post thirty eight, of the embroidered type?

I think it is very interesting to note the dates with particular regard to the size, it would certainly go a considerable way to explain why the large examples seem really quite scarce.
Although there are certainly photographs which might well have been taken post 1907 which do show the large metal badge being worn.

It is unusual, both the khaki fabric and the white fabric, ("4x2" rifle cleaning flannelette?) being raw edged, the whole quite homemade and amateurish but detail on the white FdL is machine stitched which seems an unexpected detail to what really is a rough and ready little badge.
I'm wondering now given its size and general appearance if it is a representation of of the 47th Division's snipers badge rather than of the Scout's badge.