Which Regiments, please?
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I think we have Royal Fusiliers and at least one other regiment in the attached photograph. Can anyone ID any badges or pagri flashes, please?
I have seen a description of the 2/3rd London Regiment at the IWM here, but I wondered if there were any other possibilities. Many thanks, Chris |
Is the officer standing left wearing trews, possibly the one sitting left?
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Ah yes - presumably that stick next to his leg is a desert clock.
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The Pagri flash appears to be a two tone square, divided diagonally.
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Many thanks to everyone for their comments. I have looked at all the regular battalions of the Royal Fusiliers and there is only one which had a similar sounding patch / flash.
2nd Battalion Royal Fusiliers Interestingly, they were in the same Division as the 2/3rd Londons at Gallipoli. I wonder if there was some conscious mimicry on the part of the 2/3rd Londons. The 2nd Bn. RF patch is described as worn centrally on the back in Infantry Divisions, Identification Schemes, 1917, By Mike Hibberd Given the descriptions, I think it seems more likely to be the 2/3rd Londons. Did the London Regt. RF officers wear a small 'T' on the lapel? I don't remember seeing it in pictures. |
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You can just about make out the 'T' in this picture: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=129675 Cheers, JT |
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Hopefully some clearer close-ups.
I hope that is not a thin coloured line in the middle of the diagonally bisected square... because that'll ruin all my theories. :( |
Thanks, JT. You're right, you can. That is food for thought. I'd better start searching for some more pictures.
Many thanks for that. Chris |
I have found some photos which perhaps show that the London Rgt RF did not always wear the small 'T':
LIEUTENANT WILLIAM HAMO VERNON, 4 BATTALION, LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 2 LIEUTENANT A G SHARP, 4 (CITY OF LONDON) BATTALION, LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) LIEUTENANT CECIL GEORGE OPPITZ, 3 BATTALION, LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) Captain William Norman Towse |
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That said, what do you reckon to this?
Thanks again to JT for his example as it prompted me to look harder. |
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Just for comparison, the 1/2nd Londons in Malta, 1914. From 2nd City of London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers) in the Great War, 1914-19, By Major W. E. Grey
"Small red and black rectangle vertically bisected History note Worn as helmet patch" 1/2nd Battalion London Regiment Battalion patch, IWM |
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If it helps, here is another RF officer with 'T' collar badge just visible: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=144533 Regards, JT |
That's very helpful indeed, thanks very much.
I don't know if it means anything, but many of the pictures I have seen recently seem to show the 'T' worn in conjunction with a smaller type of fusilier grenade (though not in JT's first example, I don't think). Where an officer is wearing the larger type of grenade, the 'T' often seems to be absent. Perhaps that might be an indicator in photographs? I had better try and look for some more examples. Cheers, Chris |
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The example I sent you (off forum) showing the officer wearing the cap badge-sized grenades in conjunction with the 'T': Attachment 177996 JT |
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