British Army Formation Sign ??
Hi we have had a question from an unregistered user:
"I currently own a ww2 1943 Norton War Department motorcycle, I have sent details of the service number etc to the Royal Logistical Corp who responded with no details available. I am now trying to discover the origin of the 'military crest' painted on the sides of the fuel tank. Description; Red shield, Light Blue diagonal stripe up from left to right, White sword vertical with sword tip at top." It's probably an army formation sign:- swords and shields being common components of a number of these. (see couple of examples below) thing is there are hundreds of them, army corps, brigades, etc. I am sure someone will have a text on the subject and be able to ID yours from the description above. http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ima...0807patch1.jpg http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ima...0807patch2.jpg |
And we now have a few snaps sent in of the bike>>>
(& big pic here) http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/images2/210807bike.jpg http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ima...10807bike2.jpg |
...wow... it's nice.....
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Possibly a variation of 6th Guards Tank brigade.
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The closest sign I can think of would be RAOC Army Emergency Reserve, but the stripes on it are vertical rather than diagonal. Wondering if there is a tac sign on the other side of the tank - that could help to narrow it down a bit...
Dean |
Just seen this.
The crossed swords on a blue cross on a red shield was the sign of HQ 21st Army Group, and from August 1945 HQ BAOR. The sword on a three coloured background could be a variant of 33rd Guards Bde??? |
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i fall in love ......very very nice :cool: |
Possibly 33rd Guards Ind Inf Bde, some times the vehicle sign is different to the uniform badge. A square with horizontal bars of Red Blue Red with a white Crusaders sword in the centre point up.
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I agree, looks like a variation of the Guards brigade badge, possibly done before official pics had come through??? Or a proposed design never adopted but used by some one not knowing the correct badge???
Tom |
check this one on ebay!
http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-BRITISH-BADG...QQcmdZViewItem
it looks like it were the same pattern of insignia! |
I`m wondering if this painted up as a film prop, thats why we cannot ID the sign.
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British Army Formation Sign.
The sign depicted on the Motor Cycle is not a representation of any British Army Formation sign that existed during WWII or in the early Post War Years.
Whilst there were tactical formation signs that included Shields, Crosses and Swords - the one shown on the motorcycle includes elements that were never on any British Army Tactical Formation Sign - In particular the incorrect elements are - 1. A single diagonal stripe, 2 Incorrect Shade of Blue, and 3. Incorrect Sword Pattern (in particular the Hilt shape). I was born in 1936 and collected Formation Signs and Cap Badges as a wartime/post war child and have never seen such a sign. I served in the British Army for 37 years. I remember a book I purchased from Messrs Gale & Polden (a publisher that specialised in Military Books) entitled Badges on Battledress. If anyone still has a copy of that excellent book - it will confirm that the sign depicted on the motorcycle is completely erroneous. |
I would agree 100% with Pegasus. I think whoever did the (excellent) restoration of the bike, contrived a formation sign to add supposed authenticity. The words "spoil", "ship" and "tar" spring to mind!
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