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Peter Brydon 30-08-14 10:10 AM

Time to look in your spares box !!
 
http://www.regimentalbadges.com/roya...6#.VAGiwWF0wb0

P.B.

arrestingu 30-08-14 11:02 AM

......BLIMY :eek:

Mike H 30-08-14 11:41 AM

I think somebodys had a moment with the decimal points. Sixty five maybe more plausible.

Peter Brydon 30-08-14 11:47 AM

Well the description does say:

A god scarce anodised glengarry badge on loops circa 1953-59 only

So perhaps there are a couple of errors in the listing ?

P.B.

Sonofacqms 30-08-14 12:01 PM

Heavens above . . !
 
Whatever price would something really scarce sell for?

Rob

Mike H 30-08-14 12:04 PM

Its not the scarcest badge ,the kc version is pretty scarce. But its the same old adage "Right place,right time,right price". But in the case of this badge its "wrong price"

hagwalther 31-08-14 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonofacqms (Post 275471)
Whatever price would something really scarce sell for?

Rob

Hi Rob,

Some A/A badges are now selling for well over 500 GBP. What one has to remember is that some anodised cap badges are very rare indeed. I know of a few pieces where only one or possibly two examples are known in the world so one can surmise that collectors will pay even more for these pieces.

The information on what is a rare A/A cap badge is now freely available although of this exclusive group some A/A badges are certainly 'more equal' than others.

Regards

Chris

manchesters 01-09-14 08:27 AM

Chris,

Not my era but would be fascinated to know which are the rarest top 10?

regards

Wmr-RHB 01-09-14 08:40 AM

The price is now £65,00, but it is still "god".

Maybe P.B. could change the first post here in documenting what he saw. As it is now, newcomers to this thread will not understand what some people where so amazed about ;)

Peter Brydon 01-09-14 08:53 AM

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Thanks Wmr-RHB,

I did think that members looking at the thread for the first time might wonder what it was all about without knowing that the price of £6,500 has now been changed to £65.

This is my scarcest anodised the "large" rocking horse made for Liverpool University OTC. It is the only one I have ever seen.

P.B.

Wmr-RHB 01-09-14 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Brydon (Post 275716)
This is my scarcest anodised the "large" rocking horse made for Liverpool University OTC. It is the only one I have ever seen.

P.B.

Nice and shining. Be careful with it, you never know if you need some cash when reaching later phases in your life.

hagwalther 01-09-14 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchesters (Post 275711)
Chris,

Not my era but would be fascinated to know which are the rarest top 10?

regards

Hi Simon,

Crikey - quite subjective I suppose but how about this short list:

1. Edinburgh University Training Corps (TA) - Recently discovered - one only.

2. Cambridge University OTC - this has a Tudor Crown - one only.

3. A genuine HLI Tudor (there are no genuine QC although I do have an unfinished prototype item) - two only.

4. Clifton College CCF, Bristol - one only.

5. Malay Regiment - two only.

6. 302nd (Pembroke Yeomanry) Field Regiment, RA (TA) [Large]

7. Royal Pioneer Corps [Tudor]

8. 286th (Hertfordshire Yeomanry) Medium Regiment, RA (TA)

9. 299th (Berkshire Yeomanry) Field Regiment, RA (TA) - the cap badge in gold not the silver arm badge.

10. ‘Q’ (Queen’s Own Oxfordshire Hussars) Battery, 299th Field Regiment, RA (TA)

11. Boys Company, Brigade of Gurkhas

12. The Queen’s Own Gurkha Transport Regiment - 'Queen's Own' scroll

13. Intelligence Corps [Tudor]

14. St. Benedict’s School, Ealing CCF - Recently discovered - one only.

15. ‘P’ (Buckinghamshire Hussars Yeomanry) Battery, 299th (Royal Buckinghamshire Yeomanry) Field Regiment, RA (TA)

Many of those listed above are only counted in terms of individual or pairs of badges.

Edinburgh University Training Corps (TA) not yet found in doco and CCF badges are always a problem to 100% know what they are about. Rest are recorded in official doco.

Obviously, other readers would disagree with this off the cuff list.

Simon, I do rate each badge on a rarity scale of A, B or C in my book if interested.

Regards

Chris

Mike H 01-09-14 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Brydon (Post 275716)
Thanks Wmr-RHB,

I did think that members looking at the thread for the first time might wonder what it was all about without knowing that the price of £6,500 has now been changed to £65.

This is my scarcest anodised the "large" rocking horse made for Liverpool University OTC. It is the only one I have ever seen.

P.B.

I know of two Peter.

Peter Brydon 01-09-14 11:39 AM

Mike,

I have to ask- including mine or in addition to mine ?

Peter

Mike H 01-09-14 12:05 PM

Chris do you not mean Glasgow and Oxford ?
Id have on mine :-
4th QOH
S.Lancs beret
Inns of Court rgt
Liverpool UOTC large
Millfield School
MillHill School
Staffs Yeo kc

Thats off the top of my head .

davec2 01-09-14 12:07 PM

I queried the price of the Royal Scots badge and the price was altered immediately, I also received a nice note from Stephen thanking me and admitting that he had entered the high price by mistake. :D

Dave.

William 01-09-14 12:59 PM

Thanks to Chris and to MikeH for the Rarities Lists; I suspect you covered almost everyone's Agonised Ally Wish Lists between you.

Although they are probably prototypes or trial badges I offer these for general thoughts and comments from the forum, as I understand there is at least one each of these v rare AA cap-badges out there, already in members' collections:
  • Derbyshire Yeomanry - Gold & Silver QC
  • 1st Rifle Volunteers Royal Devon Yeomanry - Gold & Silver QC
  • South Staffords - Gold & Silver KC

All the best

William

bess55 01-09-14 01:02 PM

QOGTR
 
Gents,
with regard to the Queens own Gurkha transport Regt in a/a, as per the above list.

Has anyone actually got an example of this badge that they can post an image of? This badge in reality - if it is out there - should not really be a rare item should it? I appreciate that there may well be documentation for its creation and use, but are we saying we believe that there was a limited run or limited issue of an ALL aa version of this badge, which makes it a rare beast? Its a modern (ish) badge and freely available in the bright metal now used.

Any thoughts gents?

Regards all

Bess

Mike H 01-09-14 01:22 PM

[QUOTE=William;275741]Thanks to Chris and to MikeH for the Rarities Lists; I suspect you covered almost everyone's Agonised Ally Wish Lists between you.

Although they are probably prototypes or trial badges I offer these for general thoughts and comments from the forum, as I understand there is at least one each of these v rare AA cap-badges out there, already in members' collections:
  • Derbyshire Yeomanry - Gold & Silver QC
  • 1st Rifle Volunteers Royal Devon Yeomanry - Gold & Silver QC
  • South Staffords - Gold & Silver KC

All the best

William[/QUOTE

never heard of the Derbyshire
RDY I know of at least one possibly two
S.Staffs ive heard rumours but never seen one. I may ask a guy who works at the museum.

Mike H 01-09-14 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bess55 (Post 275742)
Gents,
with regard to the Queens own Gurkha transport Regt in a/a, as per the above list.

Has anyone actually got an example of this badge that they can post an image of? This badge in reality - if it is out there - should not really be a rare item should it? I appreciate that there may well be documentation for its creation and use, but are we saying we believe that there was a limited run or limited issue of an ALL aa version of this badge, which makes it a rare beast? Its a modern (ish) badge and freely available in the bright metal now used.

Any thoughts gents?

Regards all

Bess

The images that i saw Bess , looked as if the locating holes on the back had been drilled .
Ive seen the normal GTR scrolling, they are on 4 locator pegs to position the scroll correctly.

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike H (Post 275732)
Chris do you not mean Glasgow and Oxford ?
Id have on mine :-
4th QOH
S.Lancs beret
Inns of Court rgt
Liverpool UOTC large
Millfield School
MillHill School
Staffs Yeo kc

Thats off the top of my head .

Mike,

Few on there that were never authorised.

South Lancs was the collar badge - see book for details.

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bess55 (Post 275742)
Gents,
with regard to the Queens own Gurkha transport Regt in a/a, as per the above list.

Has anyone actually got an example of this badge that they can post an image of? This badge in reality - if it is out there - should not really be a rare item should it? I appreciate that there may well be documentation for its creation and use, but are we saying we believe that there was a limited run or limited issue of an ALL aa version of this badge, which makes it a rare beast? Its a modern (ish) badge and freely available in the bright metal now used.

Any thoughts gents?

Regards all

Bess

Hi Bess,

Images are on the forum and in book - there are a few about and owners have posted pictures of their examples.

Regards

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William (Post 275741)
Thanks to Chris and to MikeH for the Rarities Lists; I suspect you covered almost everyone's Agonised Ally Wish Lists between you.

Although they are probably prototypes or trial badges I offer these for general thoughts and comments from the forum, as I understand there is at least one each of these v rare AA cap-badges out there, already in members' collections:
  • Derbyshire Yeomanry - Gold & Silver QC
  • 1st Rifle Volunteers Royal Devon Yeomanry - Gold & Silver QC
  • South Staffords - Gold & Silver KC

All the best

William

Hi William,

Forget about the first two but South Staffordshire [Tudor] was officially authorised - example on page 270 of your copy of book.

Derbyshire Yeomanry did get a CB. No of 3172 but went no further.

1st Rifle Volunteers Royal Devon Yeomanry - prototype at best; fantasy at worse. I go for the latter.

Regards

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davec2 (Post 275733)
I queried the price of the Royal Scots badge and the price was altered immediately, I also received a nice note from Stephen thanking me and admitting that he had entered the high price by mistake. :D

Dave.

Hi Dave,

65 GBP for this badge would be a very fair price.

Regards

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Brydon (Post 275729)
Mike,

I have to ask- including mine or in addition to mine ?

Peter

Hi Peter,

Any chance of some images of the back of the badge and also a close up of the lugs to see who made it?

Regards

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike H (Post 275732)
Chris do you not mean Glasgow and Oxford ?
Id have on mine :-
4th QOH
S.Lancs beret
Inns of Court rgt
Liverpool UOTC large
Millfield School
MillHill School
Staffs Yeo kc

Thats off the top of my head .

Mike,

Glasgow and Oxford - who they?

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 08:34 PM

HI Guys,

Remember the main reason why collectors cannot find super rare badges is that, contrary to popular belief, they were probably never made in the first place...

Regards

Chri

Mike H 01-09-14 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagwalther (Post 275805)
Mike,

Few on there that were never authorised.

South Lancs was the collar badge - see book for details.

Chris

All those exist Chris, the South Lancs certainly isnt the collar. Its exactly the same as k&K 2001 .Slider marked Smith and Wright.

manchesters 01-09-14 09:20 PM

Wow!!

My question re the top 10 A/A badges certainly started a great discussion.

I had no idea that such small amounts of badges were manufactured, very interesting indeed.

Just out of curiosity, why were such tiny numbers produced for units that would need many more of these badges?

regards

hagwalther 01-09-14 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike H (Post 275821)
All those exist Chris, the South Lancs certainly isnt the collar. Its exactly the same as k&K 2001 .Slider marked Smith and Wright.

Mike

Possibly both then but official doco does state that the collar badge was to be used.

Do you have images or is your info anecdotal?

Chris

hagwalther 01-09-14 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchesters (Post 275826)
Wow!!

My question re the top 10 A/A badges certainly started a great discussion.

I had no idea that such small amounts of badges were manufactured, very interesting indeed.

Just out of curiosity, why were such tiny numbers produced for units that would need many more of these badges?

regards

Hi Simon,

No idea but many units possibly amalgamated/disbanded before issue. Also, existing stocks of GM and WM badges would have been used up first. Official info on numbers manufactured very hard to find - and I have looked!

Regards

Chris

Mike H 02-09-14 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagwalther (Post 275831)
Mike

Possibly both then but official doco does state that the collar badge was to be used.

Do you have images or is your info anecdotal?

Chris

I have images

hagwalther 02-09-14 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike H (Post 275843)
I have inages

Hi Mike,

Can you post them here.

Chris

Mike H 02-09-14 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagwalther (Post 275844)
Hi Mike,

Can you post them here.

Chris

Will email later

Mike H 02-09-14 06:34 PM

1 Attachment(s)
South Lancs beret badge k&k 2001

Hussar100 02-09-14 06:42 PM

To be honest I feel for the collectors who are being charged such savage prices for a single badge but, if it makes a collection a better investment, then why not?

gus-gemma 03-09-14 04:50 PM

[QUOTE=hagwalther;275810]Hi William,

Forget about the first two but South Staffordshire [Tudor] was officially authorised - example on page 270 of your copy of book.

Derbyshire Yeomanry did get a CB. No of 3172 but went no further.

1st Rifle Volunteers Royal Devon Yeomanry - prototype at best; fantasy at worse. I go for the latter.

Regard This was only in for a short time in 1957 according to a Capt in the TA unit

talavera48 03-09-14 06:07 PM

Hi Chris,

As a Clifton-dweller, I'd love to hear how you are sure there was only ever one CCF badge ever made?

A friend at work's two sons go to Clifton College and I'm slightly embarrassed to admit I've yet to try to scrounge any badges off them.

Thanks,


David.

Mike H 03-09-14 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talavera48 (Post 276037)
Hi Chris,

As a Clifton-dweller, I'd love to hear how you are sure there was only ever one CCF badge ever made?

A friend at work's two sons go to Clifton College and I'm slightly embarrassed to admit I've yet to try to scrounge any badges off them.

Thanks,


David.

What Chris is saying is that he only knows of one example of the anodised badge. I know of at least two possibly,not the easiest anodised badge to find.
They are know badged to the QRL David,so the best youd get is a "motto" from them.

talavera48 03-09-14 07:11 PM

Doh! No idea why I read it as I did.

There are plenty of Old Cliftonians around here so perhaps I'll dig one up one day.


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