Comrades of the Great War.
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This is an early larger gilt version. Does any one know if you can identify the recipient from the official number stamped on the back?
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I've got both sizes of the "Comrades" badge , I think the member numbers were probably recorded locally and that there was not a "central" list.
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Hi Mike and others with an interest in the Comrades,
Yes, a bit like the BL, the association numbers have gone long ago.....:( I bought an SWB and a Comrades badge some time back so I'm picking that it is his badge but maybe the seller just put them together. However, you do find stuff that has managed to stay together over the years. For example an SWB with an assortment of badges, including an RE badge, turned out to be....someone in the RE!:) The Comrades had a Certificate of Comradeship and this bears a number down one side that will, I would guess, be the badge number. I have one for Richard Grant but I think I'll give up on the search for him! I've also posted a photo of a Comrades membership card (about the size of an old driver's licence) and that has name, branch and address but...it didn't come with a badge! |
Comrades of the Great War badge and card
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Hi
Here is a Comrades membership card and an associated badge that I've previously posted but might be of interest to those who've not seen one. After my post about the impossibility of trying to locate "Richard Grant", I reckon I've got even less chance with "J.Smith"......:confused: |
I see that there is a space for badge number but it has been left blank.
Nevertheless there is a number, top right! Badge number and membership number? Also it cost 1/6d to stay financial...:eek: |
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As the "Comrades" were formed in 1917 they must have issued issued thousands of badges by 1921 , so it is 'probable' that the number on the top of the card is a "branch" membership number , rather than a national one. NB - From "The Politics of Influence" : Quote:
This number has been questioned but their membership was probably greater than 100,000 by 1919. I wonder if branches submitted a list of new members to the regional/national organisation and were then given a set of numbers which were then stamped on badges ? One point I can't find any details on is about the badge sizes , were both sizes available at the same time ? If not when was the smaller size introduced ? EDIT - Found photos of certificates issued to members (with an area for number) , some have a single number (national ?) while a few have two numbers (branch/national ?). Ideally what is needed to solve this enigma is a badge , membership card and certificate all for the same person ! . . |
Hi Mike
Agreed. It would be nice to find ALL the matching items and that would certainly help solve that issue. I posted a photo of a large Comrades badge, number 255 I think. If we assume that there might have been a semi-numerical sequence, we could find lower numbers on the larger badges. If anyone is looking for a "project", please examine the numbers on their badges! Relating to the size question, in the 1920s, many associations reduced the size of their badges and I wonder if this was for reasons of cost or, more possibly, fashion. I can think of at least three local associations that "downsized" in the late 20's. |
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Here are three I have:
Large is not maker marked but numbered 33408 Small maker marked in relief J.R.GAUNT LONDON and numbered 173032 Small maker marked in relief J.R.GAUNT LONDON and numbered 88861 Tim |
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They started off as a 'Post' , when they reached 100 members they became a 'Branch' . After that (I assume when a branch membership increased or other branchess formed in the same area ) they became a 'Division' . PS. It took the BL until 1945/6 to finally decide to reduce the size of their membership badges. ;) . |
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A couple more for interest :
Associate Member - I assume a seperate numbering system. Women's Section - Formed in 1918 , women received their own membership certificate with a number on it. Don't know if it was badge or membership number. NB. There is also an Irish badge but as yet I don't have one. :( . |
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Hi Mike
Interesting as always to see what you can dig up! I've put together some of my Comrades badges for comment. I've attempted to keep them in the order I photographed them in regarding obverse and reverse. I think that this does all point to some type of numbering system based upon the function of the badge holder, branch, etc. An example would be the Associate Member class or the Womens' Section. The Irish branch badges don't seem to exceed four digits and I've only seen one or two "Official" badges. You see the large badge "255" but then there is the small badge numbered "325"!:confused: The "1921" banner has had various reasons advanced for it, including indicating a financial member, or an attendee at one of the National conferences. I'm inclined towards the latter explanation as the task of placing this on every badge would have been a nightmare :eek:, and their survival rate would be much higher. For an organisation that had a fairly brief span, they seem to have left a wide range of material for us to muse over! |
And I see that one of my Irish Comrades badges has five digits so bang goes that theory....:rolleyes:
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I'd forgotten what a great selection of badges you have.
Associate Member - Interesting that top scroll is part of the badge and not a seperate 'addition'. Womans Auxiliary - Possibly similar to the British Legion in 1922. Quote:
Official scroll - The example I've seen is a standard badge with the scroll 'brazed' onto it , this would indicate that these badges were specially modified rather than manufactured which could account for so few being seen. Irish - A "post" was established in Carlow in 1918 (67 men) and there were also "posts" in Rathvilly, Tullow and Bagenalstown. Quote:
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NB - All the large badges I have seen were made by Gaunt but while they also made the majority of smaller badges I have also seen examples by : Thomas Fattorini & Sons Bradford J.Taylor & Co. London and mention of badges made by : Batty & Sons Manchester J.W Hood & Son Southampton plus there are unmaked badges. Quote:
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Most interesting thread, the Liverpool and West Lancashire branch had its own magazine.
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