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Don't expect my hit rate to be so good with the london's

5th Bn
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6th Bn Don't like the badge much
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7th Bn
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8th Bn post office don't like the badge
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9th Bn Queen Victoria's don't like the bottom badge
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10th Bn don't like the paddington
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OSD collars Titles
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11th Bn again not sure about the badge
title looks to have been separated from the T perhaps cut off then attached later to a separate T
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12th Bn Rangers
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Officers Silver and titles
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13th Bn Kensington last A/A
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Collars
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13th cont.
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14th Bn london Scottish
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14th cont.
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15th Bn Civil Servants
OSD Cap but may not be in correct place
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16th Bn Queen's Westminster
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OSD
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17th Bn
First war Poplar and Stepney
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Second war Tower Hamlets
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OSD collar Titles
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18th Bn London Irish
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Collars and titles
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19th Bn St Pancras don't like lugged badge
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20th Bn Blackheath and Woolwich
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OSD Collar and Cadet Title
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21st Bn 1st Surrey
don't like the O/R's much
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Titles
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22nd Bn Queen's
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23rd Bn
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Collars and Titles
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24th Bn Queen's
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28th Bn Artists
These are the best I have come across seen a lot of rubbish
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Titles
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London titles about 1920
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12th London 2nd pattern with 'Rangers' scroll is fake, nothing like an original which is probably half as much bigger.

Some nice stuff there though, I'm envious of the London Irish cord boss. The collars are RUC though.

Both cap badges to the LRB are genuine as are the 6th and 7th Bns.

The PO Rifles has replaced modern loops but the badge itself is genuine.

The top 9th London is genuine, the bottom Gaunt one is a repro. I don’t collect officers badges so I’ll leave others to comment on those.

The Paddington Rifles is fake as is the broken Hackney badge. The middle one is genuine.

The Finsbury Rifles with the die flaw below the Aris is also fake.

The first pattern is fake as is the second pattern (3rd picture). The middle badge which is the third pattern looks fine.

The first Kensington badge on loops and the third in line are Martin Marsh fakes with the bird in the bottom left quadrant’s bum stuck to the cross.

I don’t collect AAs so will leave that one to others.

I shall have to leave it there for now...

[QUOTE=Neil s;539386]14th cont.
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Hi Neil,
I'm interested in the smaller London Scottish badge with lugs. Is it brass? If so, I think this should have a brooch fastener.
Thanks for showing your marvellous collections.
Cheers, John

The 5th Battalion London Regiment. (London Rifle Brigade), has the classic faults associated with a worn out die and therefore may be a later restrike.

These faults are clearly seen in the letters that are ringed in red, where the top of the letter is joined buy a blob of excess metal to the outer rim of the circle.

I have several examples of this badge with the same faults in my collection.

The A of Africa looks a little ropey too.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=92394

Thank you all for your comments mostly confirming what I think, the small badge John is W/M I assume you mean the one with the two thistle collars.

I would be interested to hear if you have any evidence for it being a restike? They are never found with poor reverse detail, modern sliders or loops, or spurious marks from examples I’ve seen. Indeed you will struggle to find a badge from this die sans die flaws. Clearly the flaws occurred very early on in the dies life.

Also just because something has a die flaw, like the Hampshire Cyclists or Lincolnshire Yeomanry does not mean it’s a restrike.

The pin back is nice as is the sporran badge looped N-S. What size is the badge in the first pic on loops?

The first two 16th are fine, third is a repro.

Both 17th’s are fine. The second badge has had a replacement slider and re-blacked.

The THR is ok too.

WM badge is genuine the BB is the common fake. Like Keith said I’d have those collars as RIC/RUC rather than 18th.

Morning Luke the first badge on backing the same size as the pin back 2 1/4'' across

Honourable Artillery Company
KC
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QC
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This is cap size but I have not seen wire fixings like this
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HAC Cont.
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OSD
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Titles
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That HAC artillery looks a likely fake with the loops cut and the stumps straightened out.
The rest appear OK to my eyes.

CB

I said "may be a restrike," as in made from an original die and not a fake die.

The evidence that I have can be seen in these photographs.

I have three different examples from the the same worn die that share some of the faults but some have more faults than others.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=92394

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=92393

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Hi Neil,
Yes, the small white metal lugged London Scottish is new to me.
Perhaps others might be able to comment on it.
Cheers, John

Hi Neil again,
I believe this small white metal badge with E-W lugs is for the leather sporran. Another similar badge with N-S lugs was for the hair sporran.
John

Thanks for that John I suspect the third badge in amongst the caps is the hair sporran it's half way between a cap and the collar sized badge

Pre 1908 london regiment
the bloomsbury rifles is cast from another badge and the last two have had issues with their lugs
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[QUOTE=Neil s;539594]Thanks for that John I suspect the third badge in amongst the caps is the hair sporran it's half way between a cap and the collar sized badge

Neil,
Yes, that badge has the extra long lugs N-S.
John

The three are not from same die.

The one on the left of the trio (link 3) is very clearly a different die with a flaw above the B rather than the R.

I cannot see any evidence in your photographs or posts. As I said a die flaw does not automatically = restrike. From what I can see of the fronts barring them being cast copies you have shown 3 original badges.

I am still waiting to hear why they may be restrikes? And are you saying both dies have been restruck? What do the originals look like?

As I said before every one I’ve seen with die flaws is on a period slider or loops and has good reverse detail etc. etc. I’ve seen nothing to suggest they are of modern or post 1920s manufacture. None are encountered on repro marked sliders, not sold by the fake sellers or present in Martin Marsh catalogue etc.

Also very interested to hear why your annotation on the last link states the three (from two different dies) are ‘probably made by British Leyland’?

I am not sure that you are understanding the definition of a restrike, unless of course, you are being deliberately obtuse.

Generally, a new die was cut when an old die was worn out and discarded. Many of the discarded dies have survived and have been used to strike new badges.

I find it strange that three separate badges all have faults from worn dies. (Four if you include the one posted by the person who started the thread).

All three of my badges have the same fault over the B of Brigade.

It is possible that worn dies were kept in use for too long to meet war time demand, but it is equally possible that discarded dies were used to produce badges for the collectors market after the badge became obsolete when the design of the London Rifle Brigade cap badge was changed to include Great War battle honours.

The British Leyland remark was an attempt at humour.

Can`t agree with your idea that these die faults indicate unoriginal badges. I have a group of three cap badges with these same faults that came directly from a ww1 veteran of the LRB and they were his actual service issue badges..