Scots Guards Solid Silver Pagri?
 

Attached are three images of a large solid silver Scots Guards badge, not hallmarked.

It measures 53 x 53 mm across the points and weighs 30.3 g. The loops are very substantial and are 19 mm (3/4") long.

The Guards Museum doesn't have one like this. The nearest one to it I've seen is one that Rod Flood has for sale with the centre pierced and hallmarked 1936 - and he is not sure what his is either!

Kilt pins are similar but there are no marks N-S to suggest its been modified.

So is this an officers' pagri badge for the white full dress FSH? Or what?

All thoughts welcome.

Bill

I think it might well be a warrant officers Pagri badge. Generally these were similar to the officers pattern, but of slightly lesser quality giving a more simplified form than the often enamelled badges of officers. Nevertheless they were more expensive than the lesser rank badges and the most costly of those issued at public expense.

Thank you Toby. I guess a WO star would be very scarce indeed.

So was the Officers' FSH star the same as the Forage Cap, as stated in the 1911 Dress Regulations?

I have two likely candidates, one solid silver and brooched the other with silver 1/2" loops, both with green enamel backing the gilt centre. Both are smaller at 49-50 mm across the points.

Or is there another officers' FSH star?

Bill

Just an observation but I thought that Warrant Officers star for the Scots Guards was made of a silver coloured star with the central device in gold coloured metal. This item is of such high quality would the manufacturers not have followed this design if this was indeed for that Rank. It would of course depend on when this style Cap Star was adopted for that Rank?

Simon.

I don't know.

But I believe the sergeants' Scots Guards pagri star has a crown and no other Scots Guards star has one. Furthermore this star is elongated similar to the Coldstream Guards FSH designs.

Bill

The nearest I can get to the one in the photographs is a brass star shown in "Scottish Regimental Badges ...." by W.H. and K.D. Bloomer (p2 image 10) which is an OR pugaree in brass - Victorian.

Does anyone please have photographs of Scots Guards pagri stars being worn?

Bill

It looks very nice. However I've not seen a Scots Guards badge with a crown on before ?
Andy

I have one as well Hallmarked 1966
Regards
Alan

Could you show us it please.
Andy

Pictures not great but here it is

Nice, who is the maker ?
Andy

A strange badge, being silver. Who wore a silver cap star in the Scots Guards ?
Andy

F.N.
F Narborough I believe
Regards
Alan

A good well known maker then.
Andy

Thinking about this again, I feel that we do have to also consider the Royal Scots who during their very long history (far longer than that of the Scots Guards), wore a wide range of insignia based upon the Star of the Order of the Thistle. White metal was for a long period used to differentiate the insignia of auxiliary units from those of regulars.