Brabant Weave
 

Could someone please give me a definition or authoritative description of what constitutes a "Brabant Weave" sign or title. I need something to educate the readership of Militaria magazine. Thanks. Mike

Mike, I think there was an explanation from someone when I posted a pair of 7th Armoured Division patches a year or so back. I'll try and see if I can find it. I think it had something to do with being made in NW Europe in the latter part of the war, but I'm not sure of the actual textile technicalities i.e. warp, weft, bias weave etc. Otherwise there must be something in Wikipedia.

David

Can't find my original posting referred to above, but came across this online:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=LTY...0weave&f=false
And also this: http://www.kellybadge.co.uk/beginner.htm#Brabant
Hope this helps.
David

My understanding is that Brabant weave is a term used to describe woven insignia that was produced by a Dutch firm in Heeze Netherlands. I believe the firm was owned / named van Engel and Evers. Some documentation in Canadian archives refers to badges obtained from that source. Heeze is in the Brabant area of the Netherlands.

Thank you all very much.. Most helpful. And I note that the firm - Van Engelen und Evers b.v. is still in business today. Mike

Please make that Van Engelen en Evers b.v., und is german.

Rgds, Thomas.

Thanks for the correction on the spelling. I wonder if the firm has an archive?

Apologies - I should have stuck with & !

Van Engelen & Evers B.V.
Industrieweg 64
5591JL HEEZE
Postbus 4
5590AA HEEZE
Nederland

Just a quick example ,

One of the ` old n bold ` of cloth collecting Norman Wolden told me that there are formation signs manufactured by this Dutch company worn by units that never left the UK ?

hi chaps,

This badge is also brabant weave. I.e. Heeze is in province of Noord Brabant

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=108936

Cheers,
JB

Including 47 Inf Div - the Bow Bells - I believe. Mike

These are the badges I posted a while back, which I was told were Brabant weave.

David

I reckon it would be great to have a` sticky` thread where we can show all known examples and build up a file ? any one agree ?

There are a number of Barabant weave insignia shown in my forces in exile album.

Many thanks Luc .

Many thanks. In your opinion is the formation sign of 14 Polish Armd Bde (page 1) a Brabant production or was it made in Italy? Mike

Is there enough interest to pin a posting on Brabant weave insignia?

In my opinion - Yes (but I would say that wouldn't !?) Mike

I can start a new album if this thread isn't pinned.

If you want to include my pictures in it, go ahead. Someone on the Forum said they were Brabant weave, but since I can't find the original post, I can't confirm that. Whoever it was, you know who you are!

Mine came in a wooden box with RHA cap/beret badges and metal shoulder titles, with the jerboa inlaid into the lid of the box. Several units of the RHA were in N.Africa, as well as later in NW Europe.

David

I was under the impression from previous discussions that the badges made in Italy are those that have an all round cut edge (over locked) and backing. Although some of these are similar to the later German made badges, that have a tighter weave.

The Brabant weave ones are those that are produced as a roll and have a cut edge either top and Bottom or left and right.

Happy to be wrong.

Marc

I'm in the process of creating a new album, Marc can I include your pictures?

Hi Luc,

I have a couple as well, I will take some pictures and post them here so you can add them to the album.

regards,

Albert.

Yes you may. But if you make it a group album everyone could add there own.

Marc :)

Just comparing Marc's 7 Armoured Divn with mine confirms that both are the same, so mine are obviously Brabant weave. Always good to have confirmation!

David

Similar.

Marc

I thinik Luc's idea, if a public album is the route to go.

It is now a public album, how do I change it to a group album?

Hi Luc, My understanding is that there are only the two settings, public and private. If members wish to add they will have to go through you. (If I understand the settings correctly.)

Hi,

Here are a few dutch ones, just add to the album.

Regards,

Albert.

two more

regards,

Albert.

two dutch nationality titles

regards,

Albert

Brabant examples Canadian insignia
 

There are a couple of Canadian insignia attributed to Brabant style construction. The first is the scarce 1 Canadian Armoured Carrier Regt shoulder titles. These are the style worn by the regiment during operations. The second example is for Army Group Royal Artillery, First Canadian Army. Brabant examples are rare.

I would place the AGRA as a 'BEVO' badge not a 'Brabant' made one, due to the thin silk type backing and tighter weave.

Marc :)

Interesting Marc. Is there any indication where that type was made?

Possibly Wuppertal in Germany. Which is the location of the original BeVo Factory, however the term has been applied to most of this type of badge.

There are variations of this type of badge which are not BeVo made but are of a similar manufacture.

Marc :)

Marc, your observation had me go back and have another look. Re-examining this, more questions come to the fore. The 1 CACR titles are very similar manufacture to BeVo. They are made on strips of very thin material, in strips, very similar to the AGRA First Cdn Army.
Documentation attributes the 1 CACR titles to the E en E firm; samples titles were returned with the 51st Highland Div signs attached as well.

Marc, a follow up question. Is there a date that the BeVo type material was being manufactured?

I do not have a date, but, I have been told that it would be after the area was liberated.

After reading a little on the E. en E., site, both Brabant and BeVo are made using the same type of machine developed by a Frenchman called Jacquard, it used a roll of material fed into a weaving machine at the same time a card strip was fed in with a series of holes in the strip the machine extracts the information from the card and weaves a design into the base material.

It looks as though the Germans (BeVo) used a rayon or artificial silk material and the E. en E. (Brabant) version a thicker material. There are a number of Dutch badges (Luc's Album) that were worn through the 1950s, so both the Dutch and German made badges were being worn at the same time.

My thoughts.

Marc :)