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Hi,
Could I get an opinion on these east yorkshire please. I feel they are both fakes but would like to confirm before they are added to the pot !

Second badge might possibly have had the scroll removed to represent the cap badge of Hymer's College, Hull OTC (K&K 2579) although this is illustrated in K&K as a blunter star!

Nonetheless as slider is marked J.R.GAUNT B'HAM is still a 1970s restrike type.

Tim

Thanks for that Tim, they have been added to the pot !
Regards, Jim.

The Gaunt Bham mark does not match the years of use.

Hymers Cadet Corps was affiliated to the East Yorkshire cap in 1902 and wore the slouch hat. The photo has a EY VB poster in the background. The website describes it as 1920's but I think this is an error as it is likely to be 1905-10 judging by the VB poster , slouch hats etc. The school magazine records that the Cadets were issued brass OTC 'shoulder-plates' in late 1908 where as the VB style of cloth shoulder patches can be seen in the photo.

At some point they used the rose without the scroll as an OTC as shown from this 1925 summer camp.

At some point after 1938 (I assume in WW2) they returned to the East Yorkshires cap badges. The Hymers College CCF forsook their brass East Yorskshire caps in 1969 for the a/a Yorkshire Brigade cap badge. The CCF was closed in 1977 when the last CO retired.

It was re-raised in 1992 as an ACF.

The screenshorts are from larger photos: http://hymerscollege.daisy.websds.ne...ta_photographs

Hopefully this may gave a sense of scale with what hopefully is a Hymers OTC badge on the right.

Good photo Alan.
Mark

I can only believe that it was for reasons of cost that Hymers did not replace the EY scroll with one of their own. This suggests to me that they may have removed the scroll s of EY badges rather than had bespoke ones made

Alan I like your theory. Indeed my hopeful Hymer shows some evidence of having the scroll carefully removed. It looks to be a 'professional' job as opposed to the scroll snapping off with wear.
Mark

I agree that the two badges Jfenzy shows are duffers, but did the OR's badge ever use the style of star he shows? I'm not an avid East Yorks collector but I think I have only seen this particular star shape on officer's gilt/silver and OSD badges. The OR's I am familiar with having a much fatter and less pointy star as shown in my previous thread.
Mark

Postscript:
Ah scrub the last. I have the thinner star shape in my collection, but on lugs. I'm assuming there was a shape change to the fatter star at some point pre WWI.

This is my Victorian era one. It's the wide version. I normally regard the narrow one as an officers badge rather than an ORs.

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