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Irv 06-11-17 12:38 PM

Ground dug buttons ID
 
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Hi Guys,

Can you help with ID and dates of these buttons please.

Regards
Irv:)

Irv 06-11-17 12:40 PM

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2 lot:)

Irv 06-11-17 12:41 PM

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A couple of badges:)


Cheers for your help:D

Guzzman 06-11-17 04:37 PM

Ground dug buttons ID
 
The third button in the first group is the button worn by most Royal Navy officers between 1774 and 1860. However, it isn't quite that simple as it was worn by different ranks at different dates between those years.

Captain/Commander - 1774-1787
Master & Master's Mate - 1787-1807
Surgeon - 1787-1805
Purser - 1787-1807
Warrant Officer - 1787-1860
Midshipman - 1787-1812
Volunteers - 1787-1812
Engineers 1st Class - 1837-1842
Schoolmasters - 1827-1842

There were many slight variations in the actual button design as well. These simply depended on the manufacturer. Sometimes the rope around the anchor was replaced by a chain. However, all consisted of the same basic foul anchor design.

Normally the only way to date them is by the makers mark on the back but since your example doesn't seem to have one that's not possible. However, I would say that your button probably dates from some time in the late 18th or early 19th centuries but I can't be more specific than that!

Pete

Cribyn 06-11-17 05:19 PM

Hello Irv

Of your buttons, the only two I can identify positively are number 4 (the 'VR' button) which was worn by "other ranks on the staff" according to Howard Ripley's book on British Army buttons and number 7 which is an early button for the 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment of Foot dating from around 1800 by the look of it.

I would hazard a guess that numbers 2 and 5 are early 19th century 'generic' patterns for militia and/or volunteers, almost certainly so in the case of the crown over 'GR' button unless there is more on the button than shows up in the photo.

The first button seems to be 'XLV' - 45 - but it is not a pattern recorded by Parkyn in his book as being used by the British 45th Foot. According to him the 45th always used '45' (rather than XLV'). A lot of modern civilian blazer type and some military hunt buttons used roman numerals but your button looks far too old to fall into either category. A lot of early Light Dragoon buttons used roman numerals but usually with an 'LD' or similar but I don't think there was ever a 45th Light Dragoons anyway!

Hopefully someone else will be along to fill in the gaps and put me right if incorrect.

Roger

Irv 06-11-17 05:59 PM

Thank you very much for your input:)

Pete, that is a very detailed list for just that one button:eek:

Roger, you are right about that first button, it is (IMO) a late 18th early 19th century button. The construction on a few of these buttons show them to be early, and as you know, on the IOW we have mountains of military items in the ground as it has spent most of the last 300 years as a military camp. I've lost count of how many Brown Bess musket balls I have found;)

Regards
Irv:)

Lazio 07-11-17 10:51 AM

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My Isle of wight button.

Irv 07-11-17 12:07 PM

Lovely button;) My part of the Island as well:D

Very hard to get original IOW loyal volunteers buttons. Thanks for showing it.

Regards
Irv
PS I have a few now:):)

Irv 07-11-17 12:35 PM

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Still looking for one of those Freshwater button.

wardog 07-11-17 04:56 PM

Were the Ox and Bucks and Berkshire badges found in nearby locations? Could be 4th Royal Berks and 4th Ox and Bucks, 145 Brigade, 48th Division, Regards, Paul.

Irv 07-11-17 09:43 PM

Hi Paul,

No, not same location but both on the west side of the island. These locations were used over and over so you find a mix of different military buttons/badges all in the same areas. Lots of ordnance, lead ball (Brown bess), Martini henry, 303 etc. etc.....

Any idea of the years these badges were used?

Irv:)

grenadierguardsman 07-11-17 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Irv (Post 427004)
Still looking for one of those Freshwater button.

Thats a cracking little collection.
Andy

Irv 07-11-17 11:57 PM

Cheers Andy:)

wardog 08-11-17 02:32 AM

Royal Berks with a slider around 1906 through to the 1950s I think. Not possible to say if it had a long slider that could have put it a few years earlier. Regards, Paul.

wardog 08-11-17 03:07 AM

The 4th Ox & Bucks S/T be from after 1908- not sure if it would have gone out of use by 1918- I think the war office took over Territorial Force supply of badges and S/Ts in 1916. Regards, Paul.


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