GARTER FLASHES
 

Hi all,

I have always been fascinated by the things that make British Soldiers look different from each other, those identifying marks and traditions that make British Army uniform ....... well not uniform.

Badges are of course the main area for differences, but since the introduction of DPM in the late 1960's and the withdrawal of the Army from hotter climes more obvious distinctions have been slowly lost.

The stable belt remains and is still worn even with MTP and also lanyards, but the loss of No1 Dress, Khaki Drill, Jungle Green and even the reductions in No 2 Dress means that things like Coloured Side Caps, Hose Tops, Garter Flashes have virtually disappeared.

I have just posted a small album with the very few Garter Flashes that I have, RAOC, RAC, RAEC etc and wonder if any members have any other examples that they might like to add to the album hopefully making a record for anybody that might be interested in the future.

Cheers
Sean

ROYAL ENGINEER hose top flash's. hope these help?

OOP'S Should have looked at album first. :eek:

Hi Jerry
Thanks for that, these things are quite hard to find now for anyone that's interested. I have included a pair of RE ones in the album, have a look at the Malay RE ones
Cheers
Sean

I collect Rhodesian army items including garter tabs. The ones I have are attached for interest.

Rh Arty = Rhodesian Arty, RhASC = Rhodesian Army Services Corps, RLI = Rhodesian Light Infantry, RRR = Royal Rhodesia Regt, NRR = Northern Rhodesia Regt

That's great very interesting, would be OK if I copy and paste them into the album and name you as the contributor ? In that way there is a source of reference for any interest in these things
Thanks again
Sean

Sean, You are most welcome to use the images. Glad they are of interest. Regards. Dudley

Kings Liverpool Regiment
 

Never seen examples for the Kings Liverpools but they are described in the regiments Dress Regulations under "Officers Pt.II- Tropical Dress"-

(e) Leg wear

(ii) Flashes of Regimental colours with maroon flash on top of, and to the front of, the blue; showing 1 1/2 inches below the bottom of the turned down hosetops.

P.B.

( Would be interested in acquiring a pair if anyone comes across them )

Thanks Peter, when you think how long battalions and units spent east of Suez, and even Cyprus, Malta and Libya you would thought there would be loads of photos of chaps in khaki drill shorts and garter flashes, but as they were probably optional and an added expense most probably didn't bother, my RAOC ones came from an uncle who retired in the 1970s yet my father who served in places like Aden from where we have hundreds of photos never wore them. Bit like side hats I suspect.

When I was in coloured sidecaps were optional and if you wanted one you bought your own but there were regiments where they weren't worn by junior ranks. The garter tabs on the other hand were issued along with hosetops of regimental colour, in REME we wore navy blue hose tops and a red and yellow garter tab. The RA wore khaki hosetops and although I can't remember I'd guess at red and blue flashes.

I believe Garter flashes were also used to differentiate different Royal Marine units - different colours for different Commandos from memory with tabs broadly matching lanyard colours - I think it may have been a post war practice. I collected some a few years ago now, but can not place them unfortunately. Hopefully someone will be able to illustrate them although I can not find any mention of them on the rmhistorical.com site, or in John Rawlinson's RM Dress distinctions book. Ones I recall were a) two red tabs, b) two light blue tabs, and I think c) two white tabs - all double tabs. I am pretty sure they looked like a swallow tails, with white band for around calf ...
Mike

40 Cdo. RM Light Blue.
41 Cdo. RM Yellow.
42 Cdo. RM White.
45 Cdo. RM Red.
HQ and Sigs Sqdn 3 Cdo. Bde RM Green.

Ritchie.

Thank Mike & Ritchie that's great, I wonder if anyone has any examples they can share pics of?

I just found the ones I have - actually a bit different than I recalled but here they are (I find it is black (not white) band for calf - of fairly stiff elastic)

White - No.42 (RM) Cdo
Red - No.45 (RM) Cdo

Ritchie (or anyone else) - Any help with dating would be much appreciated

All the best

Mike

These are the garter flashes worn in Malaya/Malaysia at the end of the 1950s and early 1960s by the Royal Australian Artillery. Red and blue, our dress over there conformed in most respects with that of the British troops and may even have been supplied locally. I'm not certain if these were worn in Australia in summer dress in the northern areas.

Keith

Many thanks Mike, would it be ok if I add your pics to the album?

Hi Keith yes you right about the British ones have a look at my album
Regards
Sean

Sean
By all means use the images in your album, it will help make a useful resource. I thought I had seen light blue ones but evidently not. Hopefully there are others out there. As you say, a neglected aspect of uniform distinction.
Mike

Irish Guards.
 

Irish Guards pipers saffron flash.

152 (North Irish) Regiment RLC Pipers.
 

Red flash worn by piper. Comes as a double flash left (back shown). But separated to make a pair. Photos show the double flash worn when the band was RLC.

That's great can I add these to the album as a point of reference for others? I als remember seeing pipers from the UDR in Sennelager wearing saffron would they have been the same pattern as the Irish Guards?
Regards
Sean

Garter Flash
 

Sean no problem using the pics. Most Irish regiments wore saffron flashes. Thought there might have been some minor variation to shape and size. The Royal Irish Regiment pipers wear red.

Dug these out.

The top 3 courtesy of a 41 RM Commando mechanic/electrician. Cannot recall his explanation unfortunately, after all these years (1977) I believe they pertained to a specific company.

Bottom 2 are different-sized R. Signals, also acquired locally. Note that both are reversed.

GTB

REMEVMBEA1. In Malaya in '65 - '66, we REME attached to RASC/RCT had the navy blue hose tops, with putties, but our garter tabs were a light blue. I was under the impression that all REME tabs were light blue, unless your red and yellow were a regimental embellishment, unless that is, that ours were, as I can't remember what the RASC/RCT wore!

Finally tracked these down in a box of the items I do not collect. I assume these a R Hampshires? 4 in x 1 in. Mike
Attachment 161076

I am looking for a pair for my RLC collection :D as well as a RLC pipers bullion cabeen badge.

I also have a pair of Dark Blue which I am not sure about (reported to be early RAOC but changed when Dark Blue hose tops were adopted)

Hi Sean, Here is a picture of New Zealand Ordnance Corps (RNZAOC) Garter Tabs. These were only worn by RNZAOC Soldiers posted to Singapore Between 1970 and 1989.

If you want I can take a better picture of a complete pair and I will try and track down some other New Zealand Examples.

Cheers
Rob

Attachment 179911

That's great Rob, can I add them to the album so it becomes a reference guide for others?
Cheers
Sean

No problem

picked these up recently, RA from the colours and from what is shown in this thread. They seem a good match to the aussie set shown.

Royal Anglian type
 

Here are some royal Anglian ones

Ahhh thanks for showing, ive got the one on the far left which I thought might be something to do with RAC but mystery solved.
Cheers
Sean
PS can I add your photo to the album as a reference.?

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...p?albumid=2985

RAMC were dull cherry.

Chris

My father's Welch Regiment garters from when he was in Cyprus 1959/60

Feel free to add to your album

David

Many thanks David that's great
Regards
Sean

Sherwood Foresters

Fab MH331 can I put your image in the album?
Regards
Sean

Certainly Sean

These are Blue/Yellow or Yellow/Blue, would that be RASC?

Rob

Could be Rob, are they for sale?