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Bill A 08-11-18 12:13 PM

Border Regt pntd authentic?
 
Opinions on this printed Border Regt glider badge, please.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-WW2-Ca...gAAOSwy45b4zb8

NEMO 08-11-18 12:30 PM

Never seen a printed example .

Bill A 08-11-18 01:45 PM

Thanks Michael.

arnhem2280 08-11-18 02:04 PM

Border Regt prtd authentic
 
Purely on the basis that these titles are post WW2 and were authorised to both the S. Staffs and Border Regt in recognition of their involvement in Op Market Garden I would say that they are not, in my opinion, the real thing and just another of the printed copy titles that are appearing on the market at the moment.

Although printed titles were still in use after WW2 I suspect it was because there were large stocks of them already made that had to be used up. It was not the case that new titles were being manufactured in a printed format.

I can't find the Army order that authorises this type of title but I think it dates either late 1940's or early 1950's. At that stage printed titles were no longer being made.

Cheers

Arnhem

Bill A 08-11-18 02:12 PM

Thanks Arnhem. Confirms my suspicions. Just wanted to have more opinions supporting my thinking.

Postwarden 08-11-18 04:12 PM

Complete fantasy. All these titles, introduced into service in May 1951 were embroidered.

Ministry of Supply records held as Kew show that an order for embroidered titles was placed with Bradford Textile Company in July 1950, 3,000 pairs for the Borders and 4,000 for the South Staffords.

Jon

Luc 09-11-18 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Postwarden (Post 459264)
Complete fantasy. All these titles, introduced into service in May 1951 were embroidered.

Jon's answer sums it up accurately.

William Brooks 11-11-18 01:09 PM

I concur with the above comments. Maybe I should open a thread for British Airborne fake titles.

pontecagnano 01-09-19 03:09 PM

When I originally read this thread, I vaguely recalled seeing something about printed versions and have finally tracked it down. Better late than never :)

'When Dragons Flew' Appendix 8 (Insignia) states that a printed version, for the Border Regiment at least, was also produced. Is the book therefore incorrect?

Many thanks,

Graham

JerryBB 01-09-19 03:52 PM

did anyone save the image of it?

perhaps the book refers to the red on white printed Border title....I just checked, the red on white was worn 44 to 59 printed or woven

and it also lists in the Glider badges; shoulder title BORDER and Horsa glider on maroon ground, printed & woven worn 51 to 59 by 1st Bn.

I was in the Border museum last Thursday, they only have the embroidered /woven version on display that I saw.

pontecagnano 02-09-19 08:34 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Just found a pair in my shoebox. I'm certain these are fakes though. I tend to agree with the consensus of this thread but the book, which is generally authoritative, has created a loose end :confused:

Graham

JerryBB 02-09-19 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pontecagnano (Post 487647)
Just found a pair in my shoebox. I'm certain these are fakes though. I tend to agree with the consensus of this thread but the book, which is generally authoritative, has created a loose end :confused:

Graham

thanks for showing these Graham.

Luc 02-09-19 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pontecagnano (Post 487546)
a printed version, for the Border Regiment at least, was also produced.

I'm sure that refers to the issue white on red titles.

JerryBB 03-09-19 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luc (Post 487655)
I'm sure that refers to the issue white on red titles.

The book specifically refers to the type shown as well as the white on red.

Postwarden 03-09-19 12:41 PM

The printed versions of the title are pure fantasy. The glider battle honour was not granted until after the war by which time all such titles were embroidered.

Jon


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