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Voltigeur 09-05-17 01:43 PM
Guards M.G. Battalion
 
© IWM (HU 121211)
Captain Count John Eugen De Salis. 1st Life Guards, attached to Irish Guards.
Wearing Guards Machine Gun Battalion cap badge.

http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/393/98...at=photographs

Peter Brydon 09-05-17 01:57 PM
More info here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E...e_Salis-Soglio

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P.B.

Mike Jackson 09-05-17 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Brydon (Post 404804)
More info here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E...e_Salis-Soglio

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P.B.
I see what you mean - nothing unusual about him at all! Mike

Voltigeur 09-05-17 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Brydon (Post 404804)
More info here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E...e_Salis-Soglio

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P.B.
....:eek::eek::eek:....
Jo

slick_mick 28-08-19 09:47 PM
Hi All,

Is Captain Count John Eugen De Salis wearing standard MGC collar badges in this photo?

I'm just trying to confirm if the Guards MG Regiment had their own collars or just wore MGC collars?

Mick

Toby Purcell 30-08-19 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by slick_mick (Post 487220)
Hi All,

Is Captain Count John Eugen De Salis wearing standard MGC collar badges in this photo?

I'm just trying to confirm if the Guards MG Regiment had their own collars or just wore MGC collars?

Mick
They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.

btns 30-08-19 11:28 AM
What about his buttons? Does anyone recognise them?
I am asking because of the KC GMGR buttons. I do not recall seeing them in my early collecting years.

Toby Purcell 30-08-19 12:28 PM
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What about his buttons? Does anyone recognise them?
I am asking because of the KC GMGR buttons. I do not recall seeing them in my early collecting years.
Yes, crown over GMGR is correct after the Guards Machine Gun Battalion (aka ‘Machine Gun Guards’) merged with the machine gunners of the 1st and 2nd Life Guards to form the ‘Guards Machine Gun Regiment’.

grenadierguardsman 30-08-19 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Toby Purcell (Post 487327)
They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.
4wound stripes, lucky chap.....
Andy

slick_mick 30-08-19 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Toby Purcell (Post 487327)
They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.
Thanks for the clarification!

Now I just need to find a Guards Machine Gun Regiment badge (crossed MGs). :)

Mick

CAM 30-08-19 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Toby Purcell (Post 487327)
They wore MG collars, Mick. In part this was probably because Guards regiments, both Horse and Foot, did not (still do not) wear collar badges. Instead they had a strong tradition of shoulder titles (ORs). Thus the GMGR wearing collar badges made them unique within the Brigade of Guards. Interestingly half size badges were produced but they are thought to have been worn on caps, or as brooches. They certainly weren’t worn as collar badges, by officers, or men.
Fantastic photographs.

Thank you. Chris

Toby Purcell 27-09-19 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CAM (Post 487376)
Fantastic photographs.

Thank you. Chris
Here’s another. Notice the typical wartime variation in the size and colouration of both, collar and headdress insignia among the three officers depicted. With the exigencies of war even Foot Guards Officers could not achieve complete uniformity.

leigh kitchen 27-09-19 08:37 AM
Is there a badge worn on the left sleeve?
Edit - Probably a pair of gloves or something similar tucked under the arm, I think.

grumpy 27-09-19 02:23 PM
could be a mourning band

leigh kitchen 27-09-19 03:40 PM
Of course (I hadn't thought of that).


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