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Colin S 05-05-21 06:48 AM

General Staff shoulder titles and insignia in WW2
 
When an officer was promoted to full colonel and above, they became members of the General Staff and started to wear red hatbands and gorget patches on their battledress. I’m presuming that they were expected to remove any regimental shoulder titles but kept any relevant Div/Bde insignia. Is this correct?

Staffsyeoman 05-05-21 11:35 AM

In short, yes - provided. of course, that they remained with that formation.

Postwarden 05-05-21 11:37 AM

Short answer, Yes. Formation etc signs would of course be those of the formation they were currently serving with (if any).

Jon

grey_green_acorn 05-05-21 12:45 PM

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There are many pictures of General ‘Boy’ Browning wearing Grenadier Guards shoulder titles and red tabs on his Battle Dress. Who would tell him to take them down?

Tim

bess55 05-05-21 12:58 PM

He apparently designed and wore his own uniform? WTF?

Colin S 05-05-21 03:49 PM

Thank you for all the replies. It was the picture of Browning that partly prompted the question! Guards officers seem to have had a problem giving up their shoulder titles!

Rob Miller 05-05-21 04:01 PM

General Browning's wife Daphne du Maurier supposedly came up with the colour of the airborne beret so meddling in uniform design seems to have been a family trait.

Isn't it the case that some Staff Officers wore different coloured hat bands and gorget patches depending on the Corps, Medical and Ordnance for example?

Rob

grey_green_acorn 05-05-21 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Miller (Post 548278)
General Browning's wife Daphne du Maurier supposedly came up with the colour of the airborne beret so meddling in uniform design seems to have been a family trait.

Isn't it the case that some Staff Officers wore different coloured hat bands and gorget patches depending on the Corps, Medical and Ordnance for example?

Rob

Selection of Gorget collar tabs including RAMC (Maroon), RAPC (yellow), RAEC (Cambridge Blue), RADC (Green) and RMAS Officer Cadet (White)

Tim

Hoot 05-05-21 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn (Post 548228)
There are many pictures of General ‘Boy’ Browning wearing Grenadier Guards shoulder titles and red tabs on his Battle Dress. Who would tell him to take them down?

Tim

Montgomery would have.

grey_green_acorn 05-05-21 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoot (Post 548320)
Montgomery would have.

Certainly within the chain of command it should have happened.
However, Monty was not himself much of a stickler for dress regulations, remembering his only instruction on dress in the 8th Army - “Top hats will not be worn!”

So let us picture the scene when the two ‘difficult’ personalities actually met:
Monty: “Well Boy you really should not be wearing those shoulder titles, you are a Lieutenant General.”
Browning: “But Monty, what about your black beret with two cap badges….”

Tim

Hoot 05-05-21 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn (Post 548326)
Certainly within the chain of command it should have happened.
However, Monty was not himself much of a stickler for dress regulations, remembering his only instruction on dress in the 8th Army - “Top hats will not be worn!”

So let us picture the scene when the two ‘difficult’ personalities actually met:
Monty: “Well Woy you really should not be wearing those shoulder titles, you are a Lieutenant General.”
Browning: “But Monty, what about your black beret with two cap badges….”

Tim

:D:D:D

Luc 06-05-21 07:10 PM

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Browning: “But Monty, what about your black beret with two cap badges….”
Monty: “What black beret?”

Home Guard 06-05-21 09:07 PM

I am thinking I'd seen a picture of Monty's black beret with near half a dozen cap badges on it? Did a quick Google search but didn't find it. I think I have the picture stored somewhere and if so I'll share it.

Terry

grey_green_acorn 06-05-21 09:42 PM

That would the Australian slouch hat covered in 8th Army cap badges.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...976_E19699.jpg

Tim

bess55 07-05-21 05:41 AM

I wonder where it is? It must have survived? Montys HQ caravan and some of his kit is in the vehicle museum part at Duxford.


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