Identification please...
 

Could some of the Forum members id this sword? The scabbard has surface rust, the blade of the sword shows some oxidization, but no significant damage. And, a value range would be helpful. There are no maker marks on the blade or hilt or scabbard.

Bill,

I only have a few swords to the Kings Liverpools so not really my thing but I think this one is a 1822 Pattern Officers sword for the Infantry and Departmental Corps ( Robson- Swords of the British Army page 156/157. ).

The value would depend on the condition of the hilt, the blade and the scabbard.

( In your photo I think the sword is the wrong way up in the scabbard.)


Peter

Hi Bill,

Any chance of a pic. of the scabbard? From what I can see, it would appear to be that of an 1885 pattern British Cavalry Troopers Sword scabbard.

It is possible that the sword and scabbard didn't originally belong together.

Does it have rings on both sides like the one shown below?

Andy

Thanks Peter & Andy. The item is not in my hands, and these were the images I was sent. It appears that the scabbard is not correct for the sword; it is the 1885 pattern cavalry type. (As you have illustrated Andy.) The condition is not optimal and the scabbard has surface rust.

Hello Bill

The cypher on the hilt appears to be that for William IV, so pre Victorian, which would make the 1822 Infantry officers' pattern the most likely candidate.

It is possibly in the wrong scabbard though as it does look to be a later pattern cavalry troopers' scabbard as per Andy's photo.

If it is in the wrong scabbard then it will reduce the value, although there will be in value in the scabbard on its own. I was offered a similar William IV infantry sword recently, no scabbard, rather bruised and battered though for £50.00

Regards
Roger

Thanks for the comments. I have talked to the seller again, and the blade is the pipe back type. The hilt has the hinged part, and it is not in pristine condition. The vendor was mumbling something about $1000 value Cdn.... not likely.

I saw a similar sword with no scabbard and Victorian cypher in the cartouche and not in the best condition in a Antique Centre in Congleton this morning, they were asking £85- it may be there for some time.

P.B.