Tiptaft maker, another one !
 

Here I post another tiptaft Australian Commonwaelth Military Forces I found in 2009 with a mix of cap badge, see "mix of cap badges" in all albums to see the badges which were found together.
Badges seems to come from Ieper's area, Belgium. The seller was unable to tell me where exactly badges comes from but all seems to stay a long time at the same place. I was lucky to buy this whole of badges and I wanted to share this discover, more and more difficult to find...
My questions are :
- why is there twice the same maker's name on back of the badge ?
- are the Tiptaft badges so rare and expensive ?
Thanks for the answers gentlemen !

Vincent,
they are expensive and sell for £100+ on Ebay.. As to having 2 makers marks, this is probably due to the fact that before silders they would have been lugged, so the switch allowed a bit of advertising? The MM to the rear of the badge would be part of the die and not worth removing!

Andy

Rising sun
 

Thanks 2747Andy.
I understand now except the meaning of "the MM to the rear".

Vincent, "Makers Mark"..

Andy

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Thanks again...needs to improve my english tongue but already learnt it 9 years !

I'm curious as to why Tift Taft Rising Suns are expensive - they are not overly rare. Is it because of the slider and that people associate sliders with being worn by Light Horse?

Mick

Mick,
from my experience it is the "TipTaft" mark that elevates the price. As a Makers Mark it is not that common and ANY badge bearing such mark seems to attract attention!

I have thousands of badges but ONLY TWO marked "TipTaft".. One of these and a 7th Dragoon Guards.

Andy

Hi Vincent
Nice badge you have there.
I suppose out of all the ww1 rising suns, the most sought after would be what’s known as the double marked tiptaft badge.
Why they are double marked? Well Andy’s suggestion is as good as any.
Why are they so expensive? Who knows as Mick said there not that rare? I have 12+ of them. I am still buying them but I wouldn’t pay more than $100aust. Most Australian badge collectors know that these badges can not be classified as "light horse" badges as I bought a collection of items to a battalion man and he had one of these badges. It’s probably more likely that they were replacement badges for whatever reason sourced from a UK manufacturer in the absence of any Australian made badge for troops in or around the UK. As tiptaft and Gaunt had made some rising suns pre war, namely a superb hallmarked silver version (with lugs) the same dies may have been used giving Andy’s theory legs and a slider fitted as per the British army regulations.
Overall, the English made badges are generally a better strike, with crisper detail and more of a substantial badge. This is the reason I still buy them.
BC

I think Lambourne were also a UK maker. Regards, Paul.

Tiptaft again
 

Thanks to everyone for sharing experience...

Correct. A web site started that myth. Collectors should view the catalogue of the Australian War Memorial Collection Database and look hard at which veterans donated particular badge variations.

G'day Vincent - again

Ive had a look at your post in regard to double marked Tiptaft marked rising suns.

Firstly I have looked in Jeff Cossums book on rising suns, he shows 1 Tiptaft badge, it has a slider and is double marked, one on the slider and the other on the rear between the crown and sun rays on the left side, the crown is not voided.

Secondly l looked at a collection that l have from a second cousin's husband who served in the 22nd Battalion AIF (infantry) in WW1. There are 4 rising suns, one of which is a double marked Tiptaft with a slider, there is also an unmarked rising sun with a slider with a voided crown, another marked Stokes and Sons that had lugs that are now cut off. And a forth that has a brass finnish and has a long pin on the back that looks to be origonal, this one is unmarked but has an unusual broader type of crown which is unvoided.

Maybe all Tiptaft rising suns are double marked, one die struck into the back of the badge and the second stamped into the back of the slider?

About 2 weeks ago l was at a dealer in Ballarat (country Victoria) who had WW1 slidered rising suns for sale at AUS$ 75.00.

I hope that this helps.

Cheers

Phil.

Tiptaft Badges
 

I have a Very Nice Set of Tiptaft Aust Rising Sun Badges that I am about to put up for sale on eBay. This set comprises a Light Horse Badge with Slider (both marked with maker's name and the slider is original), two matching Tiptaft Rising Sun Lapel Badge (maker marked and lugs secure) and a Tiptaft Rising Sun Lapel Badge converted to C Clip. It is my intent to sell them as a group. I am aware the double marked tiptaft sliders are more coveted as they are less likely to have had the slider added. The Badges are located in Australia and the market appears to be a little different for this type of badge from UK to Oz. I have been watching "everyday Light Horse Rising Sun Badges" go fo about $90 - $120 Aust and I am thinking this set could top $300 as the condition is Very Nice. I would be interested in your thoughts please.

Oh I need to add most Tiptaft Light Horse Badges we come across in Oz are only marked on the badge, I wouldn't touch one that is marked on the slider only.

Cheers