East Riding Yeomanry
 

Picked these collars up recently to the East Riding Yeomanry, notice the size of the white metal ones, perhaps worn by valise? Cap badge shown for size comparison. Cheers Sean.

Sean,
this style of collar was also worn by many civilian "Huntsmen" with no connection to the ERY whatsoever! I have seen (at a fair in Brecon quite a few years ago) a master of the hunt style red jacket with very similar collar badges whether or not it was them copying ER Yeo, since then I have seen many and of vaious sizes and quality but always as hunting insignia! My mate's wife (who hunts) has a brooch the spit of an ERY collar which was made in a jewlers and no connection whatsoever, just the fact its a running (flying) fox!

Andy

Sean, not sure about the small badges at all. As far as i am aware the collar badges were identical in size to the cap badge. The usual tell tale being the cap was on a slider (though probably not always) and the collars on lugs. The badge you have here is the early version worn by the East Riding of Yorkshire Imperial Yeomanry. I have 3 postcards which i will scan tomorrow of the badge being worn. I am not aware of the badge or its succesor being made in wm though it may be due to me not finding one!?! Its easy to prove a badge exists but almost impossible to prove it does not!
The ERYIY badge was worn up until about 1920 when it changed size and had a scroll fitted `FORRAD`. The badges you have IMO for what its worth are not `hansome` enough compared with examples i have seen (the two small badges that is). The badges also do not show the signs of age that you would expect. I will dig out some of my badges as well and show the `elegant` beast used on the ERYIY & ERY badges.

White metal on hunting red collars would stand out far better than a brass (ERY) collar. This would explain the size differance as well.
Cheers, Dave

Fox cubs
 

Hi every one, my reason for posting this thread, is I haven't a clue myself about the small collars. However I will say according to Kipling and King, the white metal fox in full cry was approved for wear 9th May 1903, also the officers lance cap plate has a silver fox. Cheers Sean.

East Riding Yeomanry KK1496
 

Hi All,
Is this a cap badge or collar?
Does anyone know if this a good un?
WM and gilding metal - approx 4.3cm across


Regards Ben

It's a Cap. Looks Good to me.

Cheers Paul.

Hi Paul,
its interesting that you are so resounding in your comment that the badge is a cap badge. I am not wanting to sound as though i am doubting you but i would appreciate what basis you have for making the comment. As far as i am aware the front of the cap badge and the front of one of the facing pair of collars are identical in size and use of materials. The collars obviously are a facing pair so a right facing fox is definately a collar. The collars i think are always on lugs and the cap badge is mainly on lugs though slidered versions are not uncommon. The question i suppose i am asking is, is how do you tell the differance between a left facing lugged collar and a lugged cap badge? I have attached a scan of the few badges i have. I am not sure if the same question applies to the earlier scrolless badge.
Cheers, Dave

Hi Dave

Maybe I was quick to assert that it was a cap badge. Just got off a 12 hour nightshift, however I have never seen a collar or right vacing version of this badge.

Cheers Paul.

Bren,

I suspect it is both. The slidered ones were correct for WW1 caps but I suspect that with the advent of berets in WW2 the lugged ones were used. The collars were identical.

List is as a WW2 badge worn as a cap or a collar then you can't be wrong.

Alan

East Riding Yeomanry (Correct?)
 

Hi All

Does anyone have an example of the correct "charlie" KK1495.

I am looking at this one below..... but I have my doubts?

Good Evening Griff M-J,

I don't know if you're aware that the fox pattern badge shown was produced in AA and worn by officers, and perhaps NCO's, without a coloured cloth backing on the end of the epaulette nearest the shoulder seam by members of the Queen's Own Yorkshire Yeomanry. Above this would be the rank insignia. I mention this because you do see them advertised as collar badges which they're not.

All good wishes,

Peter

East Riding Yeomanry (Correct?)
 

Hi Peter et al,

Just to clarify, the East Riding Yeomanry cap badge prior to about 1908 was the running fox, as illustrated in post #1.

Sometime after 1908 the badge was replaced by an altered fox above a motto scroll as can be seen in post #5. The in-coming Colonel felt that the original badge looked more like a greyhound than a fox.

The fox worn as a shoulder badge by the Queen's Own Yorkshire Yeomanry (and Y Squadron, Queen's Own Yeomanry today) is the second pattern fox without a motto scroll - not the same fox as the pre-1908 cap badge.

These foxes are also different to the fox that adorns the cap badge of the Queen's Own Yeomanry.

Cheers,

Neil.

EAST RIDING YEOMANRY
 

An East Riding Yeomanry photos showing the scroll-less fox in use during Ww1.

Great photo. There are some really stunning Yorkshire items out there. Must be an ideal county for collectors.

I know you don't really need a connection with some unit or place to collect to it but I really wish I had relatives from Yorkshire...

Hi Alan,
nice picture. Is their any chance of a high res image being emailled to me? Would go nicely with the others i have. Images attached though these are from original postcards.
Cheers, Dave