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Jackhr 12-08-20 10:01 PM

Tiptaft rising sun
 
Hi all
can any one tell me when the Tiptaft rising sun was made what year did they make the badge and if a Tiptaft rising sun could have been worn at Gallipoli ??

Cheers Rob

Luke H 12-08-20 10:25 PM

Ticker Riley’s excellent research here https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...2&postcount=13 shows War Office contracts awarded to them on the following dates:


J. W. Tiptaft & Son Ltd, 55/6 Northampton St, Birmingham
October 1915
February, May & August 1916
July 1918

Whether the Rising Sun badge order would’ve been placed by the WO is another matter but nonetheless I think the dates are likely a good barometer of when orders began to be placed with them.

Jackhr 12-08-20 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke H (Post 519242)
Ticker Riley’s excellent research here https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...2&postcount=13 shows War Office contracts awarded to them on the following dates:


J. W. Tiptaft & Son Ltd, 55/6 Northampton St, Birmingham
October 1915
February, May & August 1916
July 1918

Whether the Rising Sun badge order would’ve been placed by the WO is another matter but nonetheless I think the dates are likely a good barometer of when orders began to be placed with them.

Thanks Luke very informative , so could not have been worn at Gallipoli :confused:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Very-nic...tion=3000%7C10

slick_mick 12-08-20 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackhr (Post 519243)
Thanks Luke very informative , so could not have been worn at Gallipoli :confused:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Very-nic...tion=3000%7C10

Very strange. Maybe lost by one of the Australians who was there in 1919 to recover bodies etc? The UK made Rising Suns would only have been issued to soldiers from 1916 to 1918.

Mick

Luke H 12-08-20 10:47 PM

Potentially the Australian and Canadian governments may have independently placed orders with Tiptaft before October 1915 but this would require research to confirm or allay.

If memory serves the Gallipoli campaign ended in January 1916 so if the October 1915 order did include Rising Suns that wouldn’t leave much time to get them out there, not impossible but unlikely I’d say.

Others will hopefully have more information on these.

Jackhr 12-08-20 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slick_mick (Post 519244)
Very strange. Maybe lost by one of the Australians who was there in 1919 to recover bodies etc? The UK made Rising Suns would only have been issued to soldiers from 1916 to 1918.

Mick

Thanks Mick , the only thing is the condition of the badge seems to good what are your thoughts ?? Any one else please join in.

Rob

slick_mick 12-08-20 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackhr (Post 519247)
Thanks Mick , the only thing is the condition of the badge seems to good what are your thoughts ?? Any one else please join in.

Rob

Hard to say - it would have been in the ground from I guess 1919 to 1986 or so. I does look like its in very good condition for a badge supposedly buried in the ground for nearly 50 years.

Already at $102.50. Top dollar for an item dug up IMHO.

Mick

Lancer 17 13-08-20 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke H (Post 519245)
Potentially the Australian and Canadian governments may have independently placed orders with Tiptaft before October 1915 but this would require research to confirm or allay.

If memory serves the Gallipoli campaign ended in January 1916 so if the October 1915 order did include Rising Suns that wouldn’t leave much time to get them out there, not impossible but unlikely I’d say.

Others will hopefully have more information on these.

Hi Luke

As far as I know the last Diggers left Anzac on or about 20th December 1915, certainly not in 1916.

Regards

Phil.

Jackhr 13-08-20 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lancer 17 (Post 519257)
Hi Luke

As far as I know the last Diggers left Anzac on or about 20th December 1915, certainly not in 1916.

Regards

Phil.

15 December 1915 they left and i have a group to a chap who was in C company who stayed to the last ,minute firing the guns and manning the trenches . 7th LH G Finlay

Holyboy 13-08-20 08:51 AM

In all honestly anybody could say anything on EBay and they frequently do lots take it at face value in all honesty that badge could have come from my back garden. Some good evidence that it never went to Turkey.

badgecollector 13-08-20 09:23 AM

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hi all
a photo from the collection of photos that Capt Craig took on his service at Gallipoli and France.
the bottom caption reads, Order of Evacuation of ANZAC No 1a party 6th Brigade December 18th 1915. he was one of the last to leave

the badge in question is a good one, but wouldnt have been worn at Gallipoli before 1919 as has already been said
bc

mike_vee 13-08-20 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Holyboy (Post 519266)
In all honestly anybody could say anything on EBay

The listing simply states that it was "found by my Dad when we visited Gallipoli in 1986" , which could very well be true.

The posts in this thread appear to show that it couldn't have been worn during the Gallipoli campaign but is there a 'possibility' that it was worn (and lost) by a veteran/relative during a later pilgrimage to the battle sites ?

So , it could actually have been found at Gallipoli ........ or the seller was using the connection as a way to make money ! ;)



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